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    It only frightens me when I consider how many people there are who believe in a concept of morality and adhere to it, only because they also believe that it is set out by a most-likely-non-existent-external-force-deity.

    It's suggests to me, that if that were removed as an option for their basis of morality, they would quickly cast aside all pretense and a nice showering of shit would commence.

    Although then again......it usually showers that way when people use their belief in gods to justify it anyhow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Based on the amount of different forms of Christianity, I may have to disagree. What of Christian Deism, is that not a basic selection of God (who inevitably left according to deism) but without all of the other stories? No divine intervention?

    There's nothing stopping anybody from choosing the parts of religions that they like over others and still calling it a sub-variation of a religion.
    This is true of Protestantism which has splintered into 10,000 sects. However Protestants form only a small part of the world religious community. However if you live in the USA you might well think most of the world is Protestant. But this is simply parochialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    This is true of Protestantism which has splintered into 10,000 sects. However Protestants form only a small part of the world religious community. However if you live in the USA you might well think most of the world is Protestant. But this is simply parochialism.
    I didn't really consider Christian Deism a type of Protestantism, but I guess it could well be one. I always found it more like a Gnostic Agnosticism (oxymorons are fun). I do live in the USA and in a region infested with Protestants (mainly Southern Baptists), but the point I made is that people can still be apart of the umbrella term for several religions (e.g. Christianity is the umbrella for all of the various followers of Christ) and still claim that they are Christian. Therefore, one could simply pick the parts of Christianity that one believes to be true, form a religion about it, and still consider oneself Christian and through that logic be able to declare that the religion itself is a form of Christianity.

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    I think the idea that we're sort of swimming in the ocean with no lifeguard bothers me some, which is part of why I believe in God. I like having the lifeguard there. I don't like chaos.

    No afterlife doesn't bother me much. If there isn't one I won't know that there isn't because I won't exist. I think an afterlife could be very cool but it could also be very bad, depending on which afterlife happens to be right. But I guess I am also a cafeteria Christian because I can't believe in an eternal lake of fire where people who do not believe in Jesus go.
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    I'm not sure how to feel about it. I'd be more terrified by the thought of afterlife not existing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    I didn't really consider Christian Deism a type of Protestantism, but I guess it could well be one. I always found it more like a Gnostic Agnosticism (oxymorons are fun). I do live in the USA and in a region infested with Protestants (mainly Southern Baptists), but the point I made is that people can still be apart of the umbrella term for several religions (e.g. Christianity is the umbrella for all of the various followers of Christ) and still claim that they are Christian. Therefore, one could simply pick the parts of Christianity that one believes to be true, form a religion about it, and still consider oneself Christian and through that logic be able to declare that the religion itself is a form of Christianity.
    Choice is part of Protestantism but choice is not part of the rest of revealed religion.

    Revealed religion is a gestalt, a whole, a context, a way of looking at the world, and it is given to almost everyone in the world as their patrimony as a child.

    And children accept their given revealed religion without question, it is only literate protestants who pick and choose and question and accept and reject.

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    The idea of living in a permanent state of euphoria for an eternity (Heaven) terrifies me a bit more; it just seems unnatural, like being on a permanent drug trip with no comedown. I'd rather just...rest.

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    I'm okay with a God not existing. I never banked on the existence of a Supreme Being, to begin with.

    Considering the existence of cancer, incurable viruses, etc.. if a god did exist, I think I'd be a little pissed. Sure, boil a lot of human suffering down to man's free will, but why the fuck does ebola exist, jerk?

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    If God controls the land and disease,
    Keeps a watchful eye on me,
    If he's really so damn mighty,
    My problem is I can't see,
    Well who would wanna be?
    Who would wanna be such a control freak?

    God who'd wanna be such an asshole?

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