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    The norm is that anything goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danseen View Post
    The norm is that anything goes.
    Still really don't know what you're referring to. Like today, it's really not anything goes, because we don't, say, pour liquid hot tar all over people and then dump feathers on them. Or throw mildly handicapped people in sanitariums. Or drink our own poop water and get cholera. Soooo...

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    there is no definition of morality, since it doesn't and cannot exist. this is common fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danseen View Post
    there is no definition of morality, since it doesn't and cannot exist. this is common fact.
    So you wouldn't have a problem with me killing your family and kidnapping you and then locking you up in my basement to starve and torture you for the rest of your life? You wouldn't consider that immoral?

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    yes, i would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danseen View Post
    yes, i would.
    Well that's something at least. Note, this kind of thing used to be done, and probably still is done quite a lot in corners of the globe like Syria and North Korea. It's not even unrealistic.

    Now, consider North Korea as it is right now (basically 1984) and then consider America, but better. Let's say our society had no poverty, no crime, a beautiful environment, etc. How could you possibly say that the latter is not objectively better than the former?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    Well that's something at least. Note, this kind of thing used to be done, and probably still is done quite a lot in corners of the globe like Syria and North Korea. It's not even unrealistic.

    Now, consider North Korea as it is right now (basically 1984) and then consider America, but better. Let's say our society had no poverty, no crime, a beautiful environment, etc. How could you possibly say that the latter is not objectively better than the former?
    All things are relative/subjective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    GET SOME PERSPECTIVE.
    Yes, those with no knowledge of history keep on telling us about their own parish as though it were the whole world - and for them, it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danseen View Post
    Yes, and ideology isn't influenced by morality... lol.. whatever, dude...
    lol whatever bruh

    You're talking about people's personal moralities because you haven't experienced things like immutable, universal morality. Guessing that's because you're in you're early 20s. #adhomftw

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    Quote Originally Posted by danseen View Post
    All things are relative/subjective.
    Perhaps you believe in cultural relativism - the belief that all cultures are equally good.

    Yet we see people doing their damdest to escape tribal cultures, dictatorships, totalitarian cultures, religious cultures and chaotic States, and fleeing to liberal democracies, multi-cultural States, with regulated and competitive capitalism, who subscribe to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

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