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    Quote Originally Posted by NK258 View Post
    How do you figure ? If everything was one color, you wouldn't appreciate it because you'd know nothing different. I don't want that. I want choice. And dichotomies provide choice.
    This evaluation you're doing right now is in the context of having experienced pain, and therefore invalid as an unadulterated supposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NK258 View Post
    How do you figure ? If everything was one color, you wouldn't appreciate it because you'd know nothing different. I don't want that. I want choice. And dichotomies provide choice.
    It would only be "fair" if your memory of past pain - i.e., this life - were permanently expunged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NK258 View Post
    And dichotomies provide choice.
    Yes, dichotomies do provide choice and also they are epistemological.

    Yes, dichotomies provide our epistemology, they provide our way of perceiving.

    A dichotomy is a distinction. And a distinction distinquishes between this and that.

    A distinction is like a torch, and we see wherever we shine it.

    So we perceive by making distinctions, and the more distinctions, the more we see, and as you so rightly say, more choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    So we perceive by making distinctions, and the more distinctions, the more we see, and as you so rightly say, more choice.
    Simply because you can see an option doesn't mean you can bring it to fruition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entpersonal View Post
    Simply because you can see an option doesn't mean you can bring it to fruition.
    We don't see an option, we don't see a distinction, rather a distinction enables us to see.

    So options or distinctions are epistemological, they enable us to see. They are like a torch, and where we shine it, that is what we see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    We don't see an option, we don't see a distinction, rather a distinction enables us to see.

    So options or distinctions are epistemological, they enable us to see. They are like a torch, and where we shine it, that is what we see.
    You wouldn't have more choice if you could merely see - i.e., you couldn't do anything to correct your sorry situation. E.g., If you knew to turn left at the intersection, in theory, but couldn't do so, in practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entpersonal View Post
    You wouldn't have more choice if you could merely see - i.e., you couldn't do anything to correct your sorry situation. E.g., If you knew to turn left at the intersection, in theory, but couldn't do so, in practice.
    The whole point of an epistemological distinction is that we can move across the distinction.

    If you are interested in distinctions and how to use them, you might like the book The Laws of Form by G. Spencer-Brown.

    If you find you can't turn left and your situation is a sorry one, you might be interested in free self help groups. A good place to start is Share!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    If you find you can't turn left and your situation is a sorry one, you might be interested in free self help groups. A good place to start is Share!
    Is it really self-help if you enlist the help of someone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by entpersonal View Post
    Is it really self-help if you enlist the help of someone else?
    It is unfortunate but I believe you are playing word games with me and are not sincere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    It is unfortunate but I believe you are playing word games with me and are not sincere.
    I agree.
    6w7 Sx/Sp (621 or 612. Same diff :p).

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