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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The rear vision mirror is a bit like magic as we can see the past just as we look into the future through the windscreen.
    If I understand your meaning, this does make sense. There are many things we treasure, value, and spend significant time with. However there is a time...once ample preparation is made (and sometimes without), to "put it in gear" and go with it. We may have all the right tools....now let's build something fantastic!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    You would think that, but from what I've seen they can live in the moment their whole lives long, only introspecting when they are in a bind and only until they get out, and die of old age with (maybe) a deathbed conversion and little regret. IOW, what you are saying makes sense *to me* and I'd be inclined to agree if I hadn't seen so much evidence to the contrary.
    They probably had more regrets than they let know. Wouldnt share it with anyone but their intimates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    They probably had more regrets than they let know. Wouldnt share it with anyone but their intimates.
    Do you have any evidence of this or are you just projecting?
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    -What are you talking about?
    -Endymion, my dear. A beautiful youth possessed by the moon.
    -Well, forget about him and get to bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Do you have any evidence of this or are you just projecting?
    Empirical evidence, no. Though some good reasons to believe this.

    Extroverted Sensors are primarily concerned with interacting with their concrete environment. (All perception is concerned with the environment. Introverted perceivers tend to take their environment very seriously, which is why they tend to watch out for all things that could harm them. Very security conscious. This is because their approach to the environment is introverted and therefore shapes their inner identity.)

    The extroverted perceiver is the opposite of this. His approach to the environment tends to be jovial and light-hearted. As if it is a never-ending party. This is the attitude the ESP carries on in public most of the time, if not always. Even more so than the Extroverted Intuitive because his concreteness makes him more in tune with the external world (as the outer world is obviously physical and concrete). The Extroverted Intuitive's abstract nature forces him to retire to his mind slightly despite the Extroversion.

    Lets now discuss the nature of the ESP's relationships. Because the ESP interacts with the external environment fluently, he easily makes acquaintances. Since these relationships are not profound and are but part of his interaction with the external environment, they do not get to know the inner life of the ESP. They only see his jovial attitude, his public facade. Yet the ESP is an Introverted Judging type. This means that there is an intense focus on the narrow circle of associates. These people tend to be those they are intimate with. They tend to be few in numbers and are the ones that the ESP need not wear a mask for.

    Hence, point one: Extroverted Sensation is prone to a jovial public facade.

    Point two: Introverted Judgment leads to an elitist attitude where the intimate ones are treated very differently than common people. (I realize we all treat our intimate ones differently from the non-intimates, but this phenomenon is more prominent in the Introverted Judging type. To drive the point home, consider the disparity INFPs (especially) and INTPs treat acquaintances and close friends. Same is to be said for the EPs, though to a slightly lesser degree as Introverted Judgment is weaker.)

    Thus, it follows that the Extroverted Sensors you got to know had no reason to tell you about their true inner feelings and thoughts of remorse about their vulgar and stupid behavior because you were not in their inner circle. You may have been (which I doubt), though if you were, I'd truly be surprised if not even in private and after years of assured closeness they would not confess what is within them.

    As for anecdotal examples. Consider the following anecdotal example. Just let your aesthetical judgment take over here.

    YouTube - Hinder-Better Than Me

    YouTube - Hinder - Lips Of An Angel

    The lead singer of Hinder is almost certainly ESFP...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAVO View Post
    You have not supplied any evidence to support this assertion.
    The reason I gave was that it is difficult to maintain a high pace consistently. Compare running a marathon at 3 miles per hour consistently to running at 6 miles.
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    It may not feel like a high pace to them. I have ESFP friends and their lifestyles would exhaust me in two seconds flat. Mine would bore the shit out of them. Clearly, we have different paces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    It may not feel like a high pace to them. I have ESFP friends and their lifestyles would exhaust me in two seconds flat. Mine would bore the shit out of them. Clearly, we have different paces.
    Their problem seems to be more of not having the sufficient time and energy to reflect. (They have plenty of energy for the outer world, yet little for the inner). This results in a confusion about their inner identity which undermines them profoundly, yet hardly noticeable to all but their closest.

    This serves as an example to support my argument against the viability of a mercurial lifestyle conducing to happiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Their problem seems to be more of not having the sufficient time and energy to reflect. (They have plenty of energy for the outer world, yet little for the inner). This results in a confusion about their inner identity which undermines them profoundly, yet hardly noticeable to all but their closest.

    This serves as an example to support my argument against the viability of a mercurial lifestyle conducing to happiness.
    You've basically just defined introversion vs. extroversion, and extrapolated from it that an extrovert's main problem is that he isn't an introvert.
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    It's not a terrible hypothesis, but there's a major snag: people who seek refuge in their contemplation as a means of avoiding their emotions are not at peace at all. They're just as much a victim of their emotions as someone who follows them, except that their minds are consumed with escape instead of pursuit.

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