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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    "He" wasn't born at all. Just check Nazareth for instance: this town didn't exist in the first century. So the gospels claims that Yehoshua was born in a town that didn't exist yet: don't you see how absurd this claim is?

    On the other hand, the fact that there wasn't a town called Nazareth before the middle of the second century (not before 135 AD) is well established, both by historians and archaelogists. The area that would be known later as "Nazareth" was not even inhabited during the times of emperor Tiberius.
    He was totally born.
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    I always thought the Roman Sol Invictus festival was on or near December 25th and Constantine took that date and ran with it. Excuse me, it was decided at the Council of Nicea that they'd take that date and run with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    My views:

    Does it matter? No.

    Let people celebrate the way the want to celebrate it? Sure.

    I'm not a fan of setting up all the lights but I still think it's pretty to look on to some people's homes?

    It's a day that was originally pagan traditions and is debated when is Jesus Christ's true birthday was.

    I still think it's nice to have a day set up for him, regardless if it's spot on, is his birthday or not.
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    Leader of Manitoba's Republican Conservative Party's cheerful holiday wishes to Atheist Infidels.

    He's so jolly!

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    Haha. I once told some Muslim friends of mine that I was an atheist after they asked if I was Christian. They then asked if I celebrated Christmas, and I said "of course!" The look they gave me was just hilarious. They couldn't believe it and we all had a good laugh as I explained myself.

    I just don't understand when people are confused about this. Christmas isn't much of a religious holiday anymore. Look at how commercialized we've made it. Some people see this as a bad thing, but I don't. Massive decorations everywhere, presents under the tree, holiday foods, seeing the extended family--what's not to love?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    http://www.nazarethmyth.info/naz1article.html

    Or

    http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html

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    But of course, if you have faith, it means that you will discard reason whatever we say, whatever evidence we provide... It doesn't matter, I forgive you.

    Lol. You are not on the side of reason and evidence. You are in crackpot territory.

    Bart Ehrman abandoned the faith, but even he can't go so far as to say Jesus didn't exist. That's ridiculous.

    Few of these mythicists are actually scholars trained in ancient history, religion, biblical studies or any cognate field, let alone in the ancient languages generally thought to matter for those who want to say something with any degree of authority about a Jewish teacher who (allegedly) lived in first-century Palestine. There are a couple of exceptions: of the hundreds -- thousands? -- of mythicists, two (to my knowledge) actually have Ph.D. credentials in relevant fields of study. But even taking these into account, there is not a single mythicist who teaches New Testament or Early Christianity or even Classics at any accredited institution of higher learning in the Western world. And it is no wonder why. These views are so extreme and so unconvincing to 99.99 percent of the real experts that anyone holding them is as likely to get a teaching job in an established department of religion as a six-day creationist is likely to land on in a bona fide department of biology.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Lol. You are not on the side of reason and evidence. You are in crackpot territory.

    Bart Ehrman abandoned the faith, but even he can't go so far as to say Jesus didn't exist. That's ridiculous.





    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d...b_1349544.html
    His claim is completely false. Just writing that says a lot how bitter, insane and delusional this man has become...

    Do you realize you're quoting someone who received a PhD in... Theology!!!
    His credentials are... RI-DI-CU-LOUS!!!! I pity him and his nonsensical circular reasoning.

    On the other hand many TRUE historians criticized his works and biased allegations. At last, for instance Richard Carrier has a PhD in History... not in Theology!!! Come on, let's be serious!
    And let me quote Bertrand Russel: "Historically, it is quite doubtful whether Christ ever existed at all, and if He did we do not know anything about Him, so that I am not concerned with the historical question, which is a very difficult one..."


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    But anyway, Beorn, I understand that, as a Christian, you would find the mere idea that Yehoshua never existed at all to be obscene and monstruous, "unthinkable", and that you would try to fight it with all your heart. As a believer, you can't be rational and objective: it's simply not possible.

    But I forgive you nevertheless, because I understand why, on that specific subject, it should be absolutely impossible to have a sane, calm and reasonable discussion with you. And if you acknowledge it, I ask you to forgive me in return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AzulEyes View Post
    I still don't get it guys.

    It is clearly celebrating the birth of Christ. Considered a "Savior" to Christians. A life-changing event- the pinnacle event of Christiandom.

    Doesn't it seem like people are just jumping on the bandwagon to have the fun stuff- the presents and food and festivities- and that it is a disrespect to Christianity if you outright deny the existance of God and Jesus?
    Majority of the people who say they are "Christian's" have probably never really read the bible, too.

    My parents would probably say they are "Christian" when in fact, they are probably more agnostic. But because they grew up in a Christian/Catholic household, they'll claim such. I'm an athiest and I celebrate Christmas. But to me, it's about nostalgia and family and friends and sharing love with one another. It's a way to warm up the colder season. So even though I have no actual religious ties myself to the holiday, I find it "spiritual" in the sense of bringing people together.
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    yo, god or not, the spirit it brings about is awesome. i love christmas.
    traditions don't need to make sense.
    why the hell do we put our teeth under our pillow when we lose them?
    it's just something to do.
    humans love to bond.
    even if it is pretty strange how.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    why the hell do we put our teeth under our pillow when we lose them?
    Where else would they get raw material for billiard balls?

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