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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    Yes. Absolutely. I want reality. I want honesty. I'm sick to death of people coating everything in being "nice". When I find another person willing to cut through the bullshit and in touch with honesty and reality, it's so refreshing. This positive moment is all about appearance. It's like - I don't need a plan, I'm just staying positive. I want to shake these people.
    I want to steal you from your husband SO hard right now.
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    I'm not sure what to add. I am very much in agreement with the idea.

    Positive thinking and egoistic thinking are the two poisoning snake oils that sell so well in the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LadyJaye View Post
    It annoys you because it's annoying.

    The only people who can say that are those who can escape and gain distance from their nightmares and problems. It's tough talk coming from a safe place. When your tits deep in what you fear most, you're not wishing Nietzche were there to comfort you.

    What doesn't kill you doesn't necessarily make you stronger. It can break you, wear you down, destroy you - all while leaving you alive to experience it.
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    And that's my two cents on the subject.

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    This is interesting. I'm not familiar with the psychological movements, so I might be slightly off here. Anyway, I consider myself to be incredibly positive and also realistic. I embrace the fact that there are things beyond my control, but along with it the fact that there are things within my control. What is wrong and within my control, I work to change, and the fact that I'm working to change those things is a huge part of my positivity. I'm improving! I'm taking measurable steps to make things better! I'm on the (admittedly sometimes very long) road to achieving something!

    As for what's beyond my control, I don't let it get me down. You can't blame yourself for what's beyond your control, and you can't absolve yourself of what's within your control. That's my philosophy, but I'm always stressing the silver linings, and the potential for growth, and finding happiness in those.

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    First of all I think the original article quoted was an extremist point of view. People failing to save or tie up their camels at night is wishful thinking and irresponsibility on the part of the individual, not positive thinking. I think people's propensity to spend every cent they have and take on enormous debts has little to do with self help books and is far more likely to be influenced by a culture of acquisition and consumerism as being the measure of success.

    Personally I found Rhonda Burns Law Of Attraction literature rubbish. She presents it as a panacea where no-one ever has to do anything more than look in a shop window to 'receive' all that they desire. It sold because it told people what they wanted to hear, a fairytale to believe in.

    I do not believe there is any harm in looking for silver linings in shit situations. But to suppose that because you look for silver linings that nothing bad will ever happen to you, is a leap of logic that no self help author ever intended. I'm a believer that our perceptions shape our experience of reality, but I've yet to click my heels three times and end up in the home of my dreams. I'll let you know when that happens.

    The power in positive thinking is really in how it sustains you through adversity and how it equips you with the belief that no matter what, things can change. Without those two things life would be a bleak experience for the majority of us. But there is absolutely nothing wrong with staring at a shit situation and calling it shit.

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