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    someone doesn't like people not agreeing with him.

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    er.. no. People can hold any view, and if others don't agree, so be it.

    lol.. I just don't take kindly to insults, does any person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concur_Withall View Post
    I don't think there's much difference.

    One is the Right Hand Path, One is the Left Hand Path.

    I personally have two hands.
    Isn't Satanism a bunch of wizards and stuff?
    I don't know about you, but the path of utter selflessness seems closer to good...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SensEye View Post
    That doesn't mean morals don't exist, it just means they are subjective. And it's a good thing the subjective standard is usually shared across a majority of the members of a given society. Otherwise, civilization would descend back to the stone age.
    Is there a reason we need morals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    Yea, I was more or less just trying to get to the root of what Affirmitive Anxiety was saying in his eairlier post. But thanks for your input .
    Yeah sorry, I sort of ignored the context haha. I was taking it as a general question relevant to the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danseen View Post
    I don't know of any universal moral law
    My guess is that your country, together with mine, wrote the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. And we signed and ratified the Declaration.

    And it is called 'Universal' because it is universal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Morality is highly subjective.
    C'mon, morality is highly objective. And the object in question is the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    It is narcissists who think morality is highly subjective.

    And for narcissists with no knowledge of history, it is inevitable they think morality is subjective.

    And of course the belief that morality is subjective serves the interests of narcissism.

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    Frankly, I think that when we talk about 'morals' here we are talking about manners and mores rather than morals.

    And of course manners and mores vary across cultures, and it is fascinating to see just how they vary, but our morals have been codified since the end of WW II in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    This Declaration was fought for across the world with immense sacrifice in human life.

    Why would we ever go back to subjective morality?

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    I've recently been trying to go with my gut in terms of how I make decisions, knowing that my gut reacts dynamically according to the context of my personal preferences and the environment. If you try to iron out your ethics with too much logic, you just wind up being a stupid extremist who often cannot act according to real circumstances - circumstances that may necessitate the choosing of a lesser evil.

    Just an experiment, really though.

    That said, it should be obvious that decision making faculties are subjective and that even if you follow an article like The Declaration of Human Rights to the letter, your subconscious with throw unknown variables into your biases about how to apply them. If you tried to devote all of your mental energy into just The Declaration of Human Rights, then you would wind up creating a stringent "Us-Them" divide, thereby undoing the entire point...

    @Mole

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Frankly, I think that when we talk about 'morals' here we are talking about manners and mores rather than morals.

    And of course manners and mores vary across cultures, and it is fascinating to see just how they vary, but our morals have been codified since the end of WW II in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

    This Declaration was fought for across the world with immense sacrifice in human life.

    Why would we ever go back to subjective morality?
    Anything goes in the real world.

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