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    Quote Originally Posted by Saturned View Post
    I'm sorry. Are you telling us people what the Truth is as excavated by the tireless oompa loompas of Ti? Or are you starting a discussion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mingularity View Post
    One of the most adaptive and evolutionarily fit mind viruses of all time.

    A dopamine reservoir with a built-in positive feedback loop.

    A way to justify feeling as good as possible in the face of uncertainty and mystery.

    Something people flock to so as to avoid waking up to reality.
    Those are all pretty negative spins on it. I'd say faith is a hope in things that haven't yet come to pass, and maybe a belief in a greater purpose, working towards something higher. Something that can sustain you through difficult times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mingularity View Post
    One of the most adaptive and evolutionarily fit mind viruses of all time.

    A dopamine reservoir with a built-in positive feedback loop.

    A way to justify feeling as good as possible in the face of uncertainty and mystery.

    Something people flock to so as to avoid waking up to reality.
    Aye, its none of that Dawkins and Dennett BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Faith is to believe in something without there being any real evidence for it.
    I agree.

    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    Faith without a foundation is blind, that much I can acknowledge.
    I think that when you add foundation it is no longer faith. It is evidence-based belief, which is rational.

    Faith is irrational.

    I am now interested in the difference between faith and hope.

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    I think you've narrowly defined faith in terms derived from a particular school of thought which explains it in prejorative terms linked to beliefs surrounding the vindication of a particular, narrow and reductive, view of evolution, in particular one which considers consciousness an accident or sociobiological illusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mingularity View Post
    What's the difference?
    Ones sustained usage pertains to other significant external factors seperate from faith in its isolated form.

    Faith in itself seems to be a survival instinct. It lies in opposition with knowledge, so the lack of which is not detrimental to the life form. It, in other words, fills spaces. It's still in existence because it is emotional so has the ability to keep morale up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I think you've narrowly defined faith in terms derived from a particular school of thought which explains it in prejorative terms linked to beliefs surrounding the vindication of a particular, narrow and reductive, view of evolution, in particular one which considers consciousness an accident or sociobiological illusion.
    Well, that's not my view of consciousness at all. I suspect consciousness emerged as part of self-awareness which enables us to program ourselves more efficiently than evolution could otherwise.

    I also think religion was selected for and has many adaptive features. I see faith and confirmation bias as deeply linked and I think both were selected for for their adaptive traits. Whether they are still adaptive is an open question. Some confirmation bias - aka cultural inertia - is certainly useful - it's a classic stability vs. plasticity tradeoff. How much though? Your move.

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