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  • Mormons have good values.

    8 50.00%
  • Mormons have the truth.

    2 12.50%
  • Mormons are Christian.

    5 31.25%
  • Mormons have bad values.

    3 18.75%
  • Mormons don't have the truth.

    7 43.75%
  • Mormons aren't Christian.

    6 37.50%
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    They aren't theologically Christian, but use most of the Christian terminology.
    What is your definition of Christian, then? I thought if someone believed in the divinity of Christ and accepted his teachings, that was enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    What is your definition of Christian, then? I thought if someone believed in the divinity of Christ and accepted his teachings, that was enough.
    See my post above. They don't affirm the apostle's creed or the nicene creed.

    Specifically, they don't believe in the trinity. If you don't believe in the trinity then you're not Christian. The importance of the trinity has been downplayed in most evangelical circles over the last 50 years so I don't think most people are aware of just how central it is.

    A good comparison would be with seventh day Adventists who also have some kooky beliefs from my perspective (church on saturday and diet restrictions) as well as a recent prophet and founder, Ellen White. Even they can (though not necessarily) fall within orthodoxy despite those things.
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    If y'all want to ask me. Feel free to post and ask me about some stuff. Kind of feel bad, we're being dissected. I know some great ones, and I know some pretty lame ones as well. I'm one and if you have questions, awesome. If you look under the meaning of cult, I'm kindof yes and no. On the definition most people use, I say no.

    Also, private message me, if you're going to anti me then don't bother. Don't like arguing. But if you just have honest questions go ahead.

    Some basic points that separate us out:

    We believe in separation of the trinity:
    *Heavenly Father (The Creator)
    *Jesus Christ (The Mediator)
    *Holy Ghost (The Testifier/Witness)

    We believe the Bible AND Book of Mormon to be the word of God. It's funny how people don't think we believe in the Bible because we don't think it's infallible. Plenty of Christians believe that the Bible contains errors, others don't.

    We believe because of Christ and His Atonement that faith and works we can be saved. Little children are "alive in Christ" so before 8 don't have to worry about not being saved. Regardless of who they are.(don't understand why it has to be 8, but it doesn't seem too irresponsible of an age)

    First one to say that we have a prophet before any others decide to say so. We believe the Sabbath Day is on Sunday because of Jesus Christ's resurrection. The Holy Ghost is giving by the laying on of hands. People can feel the Holy Ghost testify, but baptism and confirmation "promises" we have the Holy Ghost to always be with us when we are keeping our covenants and commandments that He has given us. We are a proselyting church. (I'm sure that's obvious)

    I don't know. Don't wanna seem like an info guide haha. But yeah.

    But by truth, we are pretty confident that we have much more truth than other religions, but we can learn something from everybody, no matter who it is. We don't attack other churches either, because on that article of faith, we respect those who worship God to their own conscience. (Yet you see us want to keep talking to you all haha) It's not so much of "THE TRUTH"

    I admit, some members of the church need to do their own research as well before they start talking like they're the big shiz.
    Last edited by Forever; 09-24-2013 at 03:04 PM. Reason: Forgot something to add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    What is your definition of Christian, then? I thought if someone believed in the divinity of Christ and accepted his teachings, that was enough.
    Mormon theology and cosmology is pretty different from most Christian denominations:

    Quote Originally Posted by wikipedia
    Several doctrines and practices of the LDS Church are unique within Christianity. For example, the Mormon cosmology and plan of salvation include the doctrines of a pre-mortal life, three degrees of heaven, and exaltation. According to these doctrines every human spirit is a literal child of Heavenly Father, and each has the potential to continue to learn, grow, and progress in the eternities, eventually achieving eternal life (which Latter-day Saints view as distinct from immortality), which is to become one with God in the same way that Jesus Christ is one with the Father, thus allowing the children of God to become divine beings or "gods" themselves.[70] Achieving this same status is also referred to as becoming a "joint-heir with Christ."[71] The process by which this is done is called exaltation, a doctrine which includes the reunification of the mortal family after the resurrection and the ability to have spirit children in the afterlife and inherit a portion of God's kingdom.[72] To obtain this state of godhood, the church teaches that one must have faith in Jesus Christ, repent of his or her sins, strive to keep the commandments faithfully, and participate in a sequence of ceremonial covenants called ordinances, which include baptism, receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost, the Endowment, and celestial marriage.[73][74]
    So, in Mormon theology, as I understand it, Jesus was not uniquely divine or the uniquely the son of God (although he was the firstborn of God's spirit babies). He was just appointed to be the means of salvation, and did so righteously. However, the souls of all people (in Mormon theology) existed before we were born as spirit babies born of God and God's wife.


    Quote Originally Posted by wikipedia-Mormon_cosmology
    The Earth's creation, according to Mormon scripture, was not ex nihilo, but organized from existing matter. The faith teaches that this earth is just one of many inhabited worlds, and that there are many governing heavenly bodies, including a planet or star Kolob which is said to be nearest the throne of God. According to the King Follett discourse, God the Father himself once passed through mortality like Jesus did, but how, when, or where that took place is unclear. The prevailing view among Mormons is that God once lived on a planet with his own higher god.[4][5]
    Hence, it makes sense that Mormons are over-represented among fantasy and science fiction authors, since their religion has ideas about separate planets with their own god. Most Christians of other denominations find this to be a little strange, or at least extra-Christian. (Not that most religions aren't strange when viewed from the outside.)

    Also, Mormon's are non-trinitarian and don't adhere to the beliefs in the Nicene Creed, which has kind of been a touchstone for what falls under mainstream Christianity.

    Disclaimer: Dated a Mormon in high school, had long talks about Mormon theology, etc, but hardly an expert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever View Post
    We believe in separation of the trinity:
    *Heavenly Father (The Creator)
    *Jesus Christ (The Mediator)
    *Holy Ghost (The Testifier/Witness).
    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    Also, Mormon's are non-trinitarian and don't adhere to the beliefs in the Nicene Creed, which has kind of been a touchstone for what falls under mainstream Christianity.
    So which is it? Do Mormons believe in the trinity, or not? Some people say Catholics are not Christians, but they believe in the trinity, as well as the nicene creed. These definitions of Christian seem rather restrictive. To meet them, it is not enough to believe in Christ, one must believe in him and view him in a very specific way.

    Now my questions about Mormonism:

    1. Assuming the list of principles in the OP is correct, on what basis do Mormons even conduct missionary activity? As I alluded to in a previous post, that seems to contradict item 11.

    2. What does Mormonism teach is the source of divine knowledge? What is the role of the church as an institution vs. the individual believer in interpreting sacred writings?

    3. How are believers taught to resolve conflicts between church teachings and conscience?

    4. Not too long ago in the history of the Mormon church, polygamy and a view of separation of the races were both considered important doctrines. Has the church betrayed its own values by giving up these principles in order to fit into American society better? If they were so easily given up, how important were they to begin with?
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    The separation of the trinity (3 separate beings, as Mormons believe) is not the doctrine of the trinity. Hence, the LDS church is considered non-trinitarian. Some of your other issues could be handled by the Mormon belief in continuous revelation, which allows for changing doctrine over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    The separation of the trinity (3 separate beings, as Mormons believe) is not the doctrine of the trinity. Hence, the LDS church is considered non-trinitarian.
    How are these different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    How are these different?
    Key word is "separation."

    Christians believe in one God in three persons. All three persons are of the same essence or substance eternally coexisting. While, non-trintarians do not believe that the three always did and always will co-exist as one, but rather that Jesus was created by God.


    This goes all the way back to Arius.
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    Last week the Mormon missionaries told me to watch this:

    Patterns of Light by Elder Bednar. ALL 3 PARTS: What is Light, Discerning Light, Power of Revelation


    @Forever, since you're both a Mormon member and believer, I'm curious as to what your thoughts on this video may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Key word is "separation."

    Christians believe in one God in three persons. All three persons are of the same essence or substance eternally coexisting. While, non-trintarians do not believe that the three always did and always will co-exist as one, but rather that Jesus was created by God.


    This goes all the way back to Arius.
    What do Mormons believe, and what makes this distinction so important? It sounds like an argument over semantics.
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