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    We perceive by making distinctions - and the more distinctions, the more we see.

    A fundamental distinction is between the inner and the outer.

    For those unable to make this distinction, it is natural to confuse the inner with the outer.

    And there is nothing you can say to change this.

    The more you talk about the inner the more they confuse it with the outer.

    They can't see what you are talking about.

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    Then show them.

    Surely everyone finds the joys of introspection at some point in their life. Or experience something so serious that it forces it (perhaps) involuntarily.
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    -Endymion, my dear. A beautiful youth possessed by the moon.
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    Default The Proper Use of the Teddy Bear

    Quote Originally Posted by colmena View Post
    Then show them.
    But this is the point.

    To show them, they need to be able to see, they need to be able to perceive.

    And if we perceive by making distinctions, they can't see this particular thing I am showing them.

    So simply by showing them something they can't see means they still can't see it.

    And it gets more complicated than that. For our perceptual field is a gestalt, a complete whole. So when the person looks, as far as they can see, they can see everything.

    So when you say, look at this particular thing, they can see it doesn't exist. And seeing is believing.

    So showing something to someone without the requisite distinctions won't work.

    So the most important work is to increase a person's stock of distinctions.

    It's a bit like playing tennis - if you want to learn to play better, you should play with someone just a little better than you - if they are worse, you learn nothing - and if they are out of your league, you learn nothing. But if they are just slightly better, you are learning to play better tennis. Or in this case, discover more distinctions.

    So rather than showing someone something, it is first necessary to change the way they see, the way they perceive a particular thing.

    And that's what teddy bears are for.

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    Show them a different way. A way better suited to discovering distinctions. A way of introspection and experience.


    I've harped on, extolling Socrates' ideas of rationalisation in other forums. I think the ideal in Western society is misguided. It's intrinsically geared to bypassing potential for discovering distinctions. It's like a freaky holism.
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    Jesus told parables....but I admit I'm not as good with them as he was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We perceive by making distinctions - and the more distinctions, the more we see.

    A fundamental distinction is between the inner and the outer.

    For those unable to make this distinction, it is natural to confuse the inner with the outer.

    And there is nothing you can say to change this.

    The more you talk about the inner the more they confuse it with the outer.

    They can't see what you are talking about.
    Nicely said, Victor.


    Interrelationships are usually ghostlike.

    Transparent haze; curled smoke.

    Sight and vision disconnect. Thought and perception become distracted.

    Even when we connect, we sometimes choose to discard - after all, who wants to rebel against logical convention?

    You remember conventions - where people gather to discuss a common theme.

    Often it doesn't matter if the theme is fictive or real. Just that people are together...




    We can see a human being, but we miss the human heart.

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    I am not so good in logical volleyball.

    But I think the inverse to your postulate must be that minds are linked to each other, so that there is konsensus.

    I guess the feeling of being alone, must definitly be quantizised, analysed and shoot to the moon. But I just can not say that I would be happy living without it.
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    But I think the inverse to your postulate must be that minds are linked to each other, so that there is konsensus.
    And of course our minds are linked to one another by our mirror neurons.

    In fact homo sapiens is the largest animal on the planet because as we mirror each other's minds we become one mind - one mind that covers the entire earth - and that one mind is called the noosphere.

    And it is only over the last 100 years with universal literacy in the West that the individual came into existence. Why, it is only in very recent history that private bedrooms have become the norm in the West - and we even take them for granted.

    But with the advent of the tele-phone, tele-vision and the net, our whole Western society is moving from the literate individual to the electronic village where we are all immediately emotionally in touch with one another.

    Hey, just like MBTI.

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    As long as you create your existence that way you want it to be, it will exist forever. Then you can not be harmed by influences you dislike. And those are the people, who set guidance.

    And if it is never going to happen that J-Types take responsibility over their and our existances, dumbness will lead forever !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    And if it is never going to happen that J-Types take responsibility over their and our existances, dumbness will lead forever !!
    Ah, come on. Everybody is infinite, including J types. MBTI is only one way of describing people.

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