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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Also people are so impressed with his whole "i think therefore I am'

    COME ON.
    That would be Provoker:

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    The simplest proof I can conjour is as follows. I think. What thinks exists; for to doubt this is itself to think. Therefore, I exist.
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    If you want to paraphrase the words of Rene Descartes, at least give him credit in your post.
    Provoker was INTJ. I think he may have considered Descartes INTJ, so he lapped up his words and spewed them out as his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Provoker was INTJ. I think he may have considered Descartes INTJ, so he lapped up his words and spewed them out as his own.
    Not familiar with the guy
    Perhaps it was a homage? I mean he pretty much quoted descartes. When I was younger I've often found myself coming to the same conclusions as scientists and philosophers on my own, though usually when that happens it doesn't look like im quoting someone.

    Its interesting, when someone quotes someone else it is kind of apparent, their voice and posture slightly changes. etc.

    See my issue with descartes is that he says this kind of things, and I think 'ok fair enough' I mean you can give counter arguments to anything right, and as far as this goes the argument is coherent.

    And then he goes on to say some horseshit like 'therefore souls exist and animals are all machines that react exactly like humans to pain and that's proof they are machines'

    and I go like 'wait, WHAT? What the hell, where did this come from you fruitcake'
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    Rand
    “Oh, what a tangled web we weave...when first we practice to deceive.”
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    don't really like donald trump all that much

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    Kant and Rand both annoy me.
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    I would say Rand, but the term "philosopher" elevates her work undeservedly.

    Derrida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    See my issue with descartes is that he says this kind of things, and I think 'ok fair enough' I mean you can give counter arguments to anything right, and as far as this goes the argument is coherent.

    And then he goes on to say some horseshit like 'therefore souls exist and animals are all machines that react exactly like humans to pain and that's proof they are machines'

    and I go like 'wait, WHAT? What the hell, where did this come from you fruitcake'
    There's a conspiracy theory that he only said the latter stuff to avoid angering the church, knowing that the former stuff would be enough of a seed to do what it did to the early modern philosophy that followed.

    That's probably giving him too much credit (not that he doesn't deserve loads of credit, he can quite easily be attributed with starting modern philosophy and science as we know it, shaping the minds of everyone on this forum pretty drastically).

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    Hegel (he gets a lot of hate but deservedly so).
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    Quote Originally Posted by erm View Post
    There's a conspiracy theory that he only said the latter stuff to avoid angering the church, knowing that the former stuff would be enough of a seed to do what it did to the early modern philosophy that followed.

    That's probably giving him too much credit (not that he doesn't deserve loads of credit, he can quite easily be attributed with starting modern philosophy and science as we know it, shaping the minds of everyone on this forum pretty drastically).
    No. sorry. But alot of his ideas were pretty much around for thousands of years.
    Yes i get what you mean in terms of methodology but I doubt that this claim would stand up to scrutiny. (ie: the mirage that makes it look like people from long ago were geniuses until we find out that there were 60 other guys saying the same thing for the last 150 years and that guy just slightly improved on it or other factors came into play in making them famous and attributing the whole thing to them)
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    No. sorry. But alot of his ideas were pretty much around for thousands of years.
    Yes i get what you mean in terms of methodology but I doubt that this claim would stand up to scrutiny. (ie: the mirage that makes it look like people from long ago were geniuses until we find out that there were 60 other guys saying the same thing for the last 150 years and that guy just slightly improved on it or other factors came into play in making them famous and attributing the whole thing to them)
    There's the counter-mirage that looking for a similar idea being said is seeking confirmation rather than contradiction, i.e. you're always going to find 60 other guys saying the same thing due to randomness/complexity.

    (and then a counter-counter and side-mirages etc.)

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