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    Default YAYYY, My Book Finally Arrived!

    This is a book I've wanted to read for at least 20 years, but it has been out of print forever. I finally decided to search for it on Amazon and found it here:
    http://www.amazon.com/Objectivism-Re...ism+a+religion

    Is Objectivism a Religion?, by Dr. Albert Ellis.
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    Depends on one's definition of 'religion', because even today there is no accepted one in religious studies.

    The end.

    Probably a book only INTPs hungry for meaningless categorization buy.

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    Look -- someone else read the book!
    http://royhalliday.home.mindspring.com/ellis.htm

    (the book came out in 1968; the review in 1969.)



    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Probably a book only INTPs hungry for meaningless categorization buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Depends on one's definition of 'religion', because even today there is no accepted one in religious studies.

    The end.

    Probably a book only INTPs hungry for meaningless categorization buy.
    Apparently you believe that categorization is meaningless, since you don't list any category for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Look -- someone else read the book!
    http://royhalliday.home.mindspring.com/ellis.htm

    (the book came out in 1968; the review in 1969.)
    It must have had only a single printing, and the cover itself is flawed as you can see on Amazon. The cover of mine looks exactly the same, with the large white blotch.

    I'm an aficianado (meaning, I'm knowledgeable) of Objectivism (and Kant), although I'm not a practitioner of either philosophy. Ellis makes a huge blunder in chapter 1, something so bad that it should not have escaped even the worst editor's attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Depends on one's definition of 'religion', because even today there is no accepted one in religious studies.
    Albert Ellis states that inventing one's own definition of rationality, of virtue, and so on, is like inventing a God that approves of everything that you do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Albert Ellis states that inventing one's own definition of rationality, of virtue, and so on, is like inventing a God that approves of everything that you do.
    Already done it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    This is a book I've wanted to read for at least 20 years, but it has been out of print forever. I finally decided to search for it on Amazon and found it here:
    http://www.amazon.com/Objectivism-Re...ism+a+religion

    Is Objectivism a Religion?, by Dr. Albert Ellis.
    I like it when out of print books become available again, is it a reprint or just one from the marketplace?

    What is the book about or would you like to say a little about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Albert Ellis states that inventing one's own definition of rationality, of virtue, and so on, is like inventing a God that approves of everything that you do.
    True. But religion is a human invention reflective of the creators' own values anyway, and rationality and such are also human inventions. The patterns and structure of reality is objective, but we will always understand it through our own subjective limited lens.

    Therefore objectivism is an admirable thing to strive for, but it will never be 100% reached.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    True. But religion is a human invention reflective of the creators' own values anyway, and rationality and such are also human inventions. The patterns and structure of reality is objective, but we will always understand it through our own subjective limited lens.

    Therefore objectivism is an admirable thing to strive for, but it will never be 100% reached.
    And that is a different matter to what Ayn Rand describes as objectivism which is nothing more than a rationalisation for greed and a rich man's paradise writ large and equated with reality.

    And that was Marx's original literary critique of english political economy as genre fiction too.

    I'm not sure that religion or rationality are inventions, I dont and couldnt endorse a completely social constructionist view of the world, while subjectivism, intersubjectivity and other schools of thought like it are interesting they all, like post-modernism, fall into a similar trap and that is deciding that because certainty and truth are often difficult to assertain that they are therefore impossible and one "truth" is as good as another. That is were they are not all simply pseudo-intellectual semantic games.

    A lot of them are, and I still believe they are the bastard off spring of the historic "loss of nerve" by the left wing, the right wing have no doubts about their ideas, ideology and what is real, true, objective and that is in part why they've got the proper balls to call their ideology something like objectivism. Perhaps it was true of the left wing at one time, with marxism's so called "scientific socialism", but those days are long gone and anyone seriously asserting anything other than that would rightly be considered laughable.

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