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    The OP's statement about a lack of community in Christianity is complete and utter anti-Christian propaganda.

    islamqa.info/en/ref/12718
    "is it permissible for a Muslim to visit a Christian if he gets sick, or to attend his funeral if he dies? Is there any sin on a Muslim who does these things, or not?

    He replied:

    Praise be to Allaah the Lord of the Worlds. He should not attend his funeral, but visiting him when he is sick is fine, because this may serve an interest, namely opening his heart to Islam. But then if he dies as a kaafir, he will deserve Hell, hence the prayers should not be offered for him. And Allaah knows best."

    Muslims should not attend the funeral of a Christian.

    Muslims may visit the bedside of a Christian who has fallen ill - in order to take advantage of the illness and proselytize.

    Ugh, this is so empty of faith, love, and charity.

    *shivers*
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    I can state from experience that this happens in Christianity as well. I guarantee you there are tons and tons of Christians who would not go to a Muslim's funeral but would go to their sickbed to preach the gospel to them. There are awful people of every religion and of no religion. There are some particular brands of awful that Islam has over Christianity (at least in the present day) but this isn't one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    I can state from experience that this happens in Christianity as well. I guarantee you there are tons and tons of Christians who would not go to a Muslim's funeral but would go to their sickbed to preach the gospel to them. There are awful people of every religion and of no religion. There are some particular brands of awful that Islam has over Christianity (at least in the present day) but this isn't one of them.
    That's not what it's saying.

    There is no rule in Christianity about whose funeral you can attend or for what reason you are allowed to visit a sick neighbor.
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    What am I missing? That site looks like ask.com for Muslims. Try writing to Focus on the Family and ask the same thing in reverse, and see what they say- and they'll give you biblical backup for it, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    That's not what it's saying.

    There is no rule in Christianity about whose funeral you can attend or for what reason you are allowed to visit a sick neighbor.
    There is no rule within Islam too, unless you're a staunch wahhabite.

    The Imam you quoted is just an ignorant, bigoted, xenophobic fool.

    I've seen muslim friends attend the same funerals where I was. They even attended the funeral of very well known atheists.

    Wherever you have bigoted fanaticism, the phenomena you denounce can happen.
    Wherever you have common sense and reason, it cannot.
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    Oh, I see. It's a fatwa. Aren't those of variable importance depending on the kind of Islam being practiced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    What am I missing? That site looks like ask.com for Muslims. Try writing to Focus on the Family and ask the same thing in reverse, and see what they say- and they'll give you biblical backup for it, too.
    It doesn't look like ask.com for muslims.

    And as for Christian rules for visiting kaafir, I would like to see one that recommends proselytizing sick people not of the faith. It is only an opportunity to pray.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    Oh, I see. It's a fatwa. Aren't those of variable importance depending on the kind of Islam being practiced?
    I don't know. A fatwa is just a legal opinion or decision. The whole Sunni vs. Shi'ite division is too complicated to make sense of.
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    To the other people reading this:

    And the OP spelling of Koran (or Quran) as "Curan" is just an attempt to play dumb about Islam.
    Or the way s/he spells "Al Queada" instead of Al Qaeda (or Al Qaida). Every critical word seems to be deliberately misspelt, not to focus attention I presume.

    Or the way s/he blindly defends Dubai or Iraqi societies (and ackowledge s/he may have lived there), or the intrinsic moral superiority of the Arab way of life. This kind of specifically targeted chauvinism and nationalism is very curious, especially from someone who pretends to be a lutheran from deep Missouri.
    There is no correct spelling for an English pronunciation of an Arabic word.

    What is deep Missouri? What Lutherans are from deep Missouri? None. The higher up from LCMS is located in Missouri.

    "Calling all Muslims" is a very common statement used by Muslims online to call out to other Muslims.
    Completely coincidence. Never heard of that saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    No and she can't be responsible for other people's faith, either, that goes against Free Will.

    I mean I'm sure she can read about Pharisees in the Bible, people who congratulate themselves on street corners with dogma who don't feel any conviction or contrition in their hearts.

    It's funny to me though that an INFJ would idealize this kind of conformity in appearance. Maybe it's the "idealization" part that's so very NF, because her need for strict appearances almost sounds like Si to me.

    I don't understand the obsession with appearances. I think maybe it's a disgust with the modern world, but if she still wants to live in the world (and not go live away with the Amish in a more 1900 style for example) ... I don't know.

    I feel disgust with the modern world sometimes, but it's more so with corporatism and destruction of nature than accusing religious people of not being religious enough.
    I am definitely an INFJ. My friends and myself are sure of this. I like to think outside of the box. I have found more joy in being hidden and reserved in my speech and dress. This is why I am allured to Islam. I find it ultimate classy and dignified. Indians too.

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