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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Ok, I am now over being stunned by your belief in what is in fact a CHRISTIAN tenet that all sins are the same.

    Now I will leave you with a couple quotes I found online from Muslims:

    "If all sins were the same then there would be only one level of Hell and we know that this is not the case."

    "There are different types and degrees of sins.
    Minor sins.
    Major sins.
    Sins that take one out of the fold of Islam.
    Sins that are punishable by the Islamic government."

    So in order to avoid conflict with your fundamental Christian beliefs, I recommend NOT becoming a Muslim.
    I think that is too quick of an assumption. That is for me to study and decide. Not your call. Go somewhere else, because your an offensive, disgusting troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    I think it's definitely good to have support from those around you, & I hope you find that. I mentioned the element of fear involved because you sounded quite desperate in your first post. Desperation is a fearful response.

    Either way, good luck in your search.

    Thanks. I suppose you are right to sense some fear and desperation possibly coming from another issue... but at this point I am learning to think about why I am fearful and what leaves me feeling more whole. Some changes have to be made and you are right I need to be thoughtful and clear headed, which I will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbyagain View Post
    I think that is too quick of an assumption. That is for me to study and decide. Not your call. Go somewhere else, because your an offensive, disgusting troll.
    I don't care what you think of me. I just want to know where my assumption is. You SAID all sins are the same; Islam SAYS they are not. That's not an assumption, that's a FACT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I don't care what you think of me. I just want to know where my assumption is. You SAID all sins are the same; Islam SAYS they are not. That's not an assumption, that's a FACT!
    I never said I thought Islam does or does not believe that all sins are the same, so I don't know why you are making an issue out of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbyagain View Post
    I never said I thought Islam does or does not believe that all sins are the same, so I don't know why you are making an issue out of that.
    That's true, but you'll have a lot of unlearning to do upon joining the Islam faith.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    For instance, your assumption that Islam believes all sins are the same?
    That is not my issue, but how I can make better choices with the help of community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    That's true, but you'll have a lot of unlearning to do upon joining the Islam faith.
    Yeah, clearly if you read the first post you can see I am aware of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbyagain View Post
    That is not my issue, but how I can make better choices with the help of community.
    But is it a community that's emotionally important to you? Where are your friends and family in this decision? Or is it purely intellectual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbyagain View Post
    I appreciate your answer and you are right. But also reading Curan and taking a different eye to the Bible, I may find a more solid answer in one belief over another. Maybe it will be Christ is the son of God, and maybe it will be that he is not.
    Perhaps, perhaps not. Yet there is a saying: changing planets is easier than changing religions.
    But like I said, it's not just community. It's the level of expectations in the community. For example, I go to a Christian school and some of the professors who claim to be hard core Lutherans, it just shocks me what they do. It's extremely frustrating. It's not even that I expect them to be perfect, it's just that it's like a lot of wrong things that they do, it has never even occurred to them that they shouldn't.
    We're all sinners, and every religious community(Muslim, Christian, Hindu, etc.) are plagued by laxness of faith of some sort. Within a Christian context, you're not alone in feeling frustrated and wish the faith was taken more seriously. You can reach out to those fellow Christians for community. There are Bible studies and prayer groups to connect with such people. I presume you're Lutheran, and I know Lutheran churches host plenty of social events for similar purposes too. And perhaps you need to move around in different circles too. Christianity has been known for numerous revival movements in its history, and even continues to this day.

    I guess to provide a random example of Christians who take their faith very serious and seek to live piously:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbyagain View Post
    I am familiar enough with both Islam and the Amish to know Amish isn't a good fit for me. What is so hard to understand about that? Yes I like rules, did I say that that means I agree with the Amish rules?

    I am already Lutheran. Catholic and Lutheran are not much different.
    Oh yes, they are. Are you a Missouri or Wisconsin Synod? If so, your church is doubtlessly already pretty conservative, but I'll have you know if you're Evangelical Lutheran you are in one of the most (almost ridiculously) liberal churches in the country.

    So if an Evangelical Lutheran church is your problem, the Missouri or Wisconsin synods would be more conservative, and still then there is not as much structure or "rules" as Catholicism, which follows the apostolic tradition and the pope for guidance and interpretation.

    If Amish isn't a good fit for you please tell me why you think a religion that you hardly even know about or agree with is a good fit just because you perceive it as being stricter or having more community.

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