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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Between your two replies to me, I don't know how else to say this but... you seem very ignorant about religion in general. Only certain branches of the Protestant church encourage this very individual interpretation of the Bible, and you could become Catholic if you want a very theological and historic and guided interpretation of the Bible (honestly in some cases I think this is more relevant, myself).

    You're saying you want "rules" but you don't want to go live on an Amish farm.

    On the other hand, you're saying you don't know much about Islam, either.

    I'm not sure if you're trolling, but Catholicism is a less individual interpretation of Christianity, and being Hare Krisha or Amish would be more regimented and community oriented forms of faith that are relatively peaceful; Amish women also dress modestly and cover their heads like many Muslim women do.

    It doesn't make sense for you to be Muslim if you don't even understand their theology but are just attracted to the strictness or community, which you can indeed find in some Christian churches.

    There are still Catholic women who cover their heads to pray.

    Also, you should know that there are both Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims, as well as the large difference between the violent misogynist interpretations of Islam in Afghanistan versus peaceful Islam in Malaysia or Morocco.
    I am familiar enough with both Islam and the Amish to know Amish isn't a good fit for me. What is so hard to understand about that? Yes I like rules, did I say that that means I agree with the Amish rules?

    I am already Lutheran. Catholic and Lutheran are not much different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    People are people the world over. Don't expect anyone to take you in and nestle you in some safe warm community just because they're Muslim. It's more likely that you'll pray together on Fridays (or more frequently if that's what floats your boat) and get to know a few people in a more informal context (like you would in a bible study group) and that's about it. There might be some communities that are more close knit than others, but I see no indications that Muslim communities, on average, are tighter than Christian communities.

    Then again, I have never participated deeply or wanted to participate in a religious community so my observations are all from the outside.
    I don't necessarily want something too close knit. That is not my concern as much as other things. But thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Between your two replies to me, I don't know how else to say this but... you seem very ignorant about religion in general. Only certain branches of the Protestant church encourage this very individual interpretation of the Bible, and you could become Catholic if you want a very theological and historic and guided interpretation of the Bible (honestly in some cases I think this is more relevant, myself).

    You're saying you want "rules" but you don't want to go live on an Amish farm.

    On the other hand, you're saying you don't know much about Islam, either.

    I'm not sure if you're trolling, but Catholicism is a less individual interpretation of Christianity, and being Hare Krisha or Amish would be more regimented and community oriented forms of faith that are relatively peaceful; Amish women also dress modestly and cover their heads like many Muslim women do.

    It doesn't make sense for you to be Muslim if you don't even understand their theology but are just attracted to the strictness or community, which you can indeed find in some Christian churches.

    There are still Catholic women who cover their heads to pray.

    Also, you should know that there are both Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims, as well as the large difference between the violent misogynist interpretations of Islam in Afghanistan versus peaceful Islam in Malaysia or Morocco.
    You're much better at discussing religions and race than you are at typology.

    A recent study has shown that Christians are FAR more likely to visit their sick relatives and neighbors than Muslims. Christianity is such a highly social, benevolent religion. I really admire it. I just don't want to be part of it because all religions are false.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    None of this is more ridiculous than someone who says they believe Jesus is the Son of God and the Holy Redeemer and admits ignorance about Muslim theology saying they want to convert to Islam for the rules and community.

    I am baffled why you wouldn't look to Catholicism first, and then if ruling that out as not a strict enough community for you, not looking to a very insular Christian community like the Mennonites (Amish).

    All Muslims are not the same any more than all Christians are the same. There are interpretations there too, and frankly if you're actually doing this to worship God, you should do it because of a theology you are familiar and comfortable with or that resonates with your soul (kind of like what Kyuuei said about the holy book speaking to you) ...not because it looks super regimented or like a tighter knit community.
    It's one step at a time. I didn't say that tomorrow I am going to get in my car and drive over and get converted. The Catholic community has many of the same problems I see in any other Christian community.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momental View Post
    This is the crux of your issue and the answer will not be found by asking another person; this shouldn't be left for another person to answer anyway.

    It is a leap of faith and will always be as such.
    True. Thank you. Finally. It would be better if people wouldn't assume and act like they know the answer and all of these other assumptions and stereotypes. I think I need to read the Bible again with this new question of mine and go from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbyagain View Post
    True. Thank you. Finally. It would be better if people wouldn't assume and act like they know the answer and all of these other assumptions and stereotypes. I think I need to read the Bible again with this new question of mine and go from there.
    For instance, your assumption that Islam believes all sins are the same?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    You'd get away from all the stuff you're complaining about also if you lived with the Amish. No strip clubs there.

    Or if you became Catholic, and decided against marriage, you could go to a convent and also be separate from the world.
    Thanks. That is a good idea. The only thing is, I don't feel like I could live in a convent and give myself away to a religion who I feel is ultimately not as successful as I think they could be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Newbyagain View Post
    Thanks. That is a good idea. The only thing is, I don't feel like I could live in a convent and give myself away to a religion who I feel is ultimately not as successful as I think they could be.
    All levels of sin and success are the same in the eyes of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Community and fellowship are important aspects to one's spiritual life, in part because it's an important part of human nature. Man is a social animal, and after the commandant Love God comes the commandant Love thy neighbor. So your concern is legitimate, yet your proposed solution to the issue may not be. Changing religions maybe a valid option if God is truly calling you to that path. If he isn't, then perhaps it's not for you. You still seem to think of Christ as the Incarnated Son of God, in other words the Christian understanding of Christ's nature. So you possibly already given indications of where your heart truly lies, you just want a sense of fellowship to be apart of. Fair enough, but you can certainly find plenty of community within Christianity if you truly look for it. You don't need to convert to Islam to necessarily find it.

    Open your heart to God and trust his guidance. He knows best.
    I appreciate your answer and you are right. But also reading Curan and taking a different eye to the Bible, I may find a more solid answer in one belief over another. Maybe it will be Christ is the son of God, and maybe it will be that he is not.

    But like I said, it's not just community. It's the level of expectations in the community. For example, I go to a Christian school and some of the professors who claim to be hard core Lutherans, it just shocks me what they do. It's extremely frustrating. It's not even that I expect them to be perfect, it's just that it's like a lot of wrong things that they do, it has never even occurred to them that they shouldn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    For instance, your assumption that Islam believes all sins are the same?
    No, that is the Christian teaching and also my own belief.

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