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    Enlightenment is an approach to society originating in the 18th century that values freedom.

    Here, in the West, we have freedom.

    When eastern religions speak of enlightenment, they are actually referring to the 18th century philosophical tradition.

    So Buddhism is really expressive of how the Orient is yearning for the enlightenment ideals of freedom, which they currently lack under authoritarian regimes like China and India.

    Therefore, the founding fathers were the some of the earliest western converts to Buddhism.
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    In the twilight of the mouth of the cave, the geode hatched and the brothers were born.

    The first brother walked towards the light and stood under the open sky. Thus he became too tall. He was the first Man. He found no laws and was enlightened.

    The second brother walked towards the darkness and stood under a roof of stone. Thus he achieved the correct height. He was the first Dwarf. He found the laws Tak had written and he was endarkened.

    Then Tak looked upon the stone and it was trying to come alive and Tak smiled and wrote: "All things strive". And for the service the stone had given he fashioned it into the first Troll and delighted in the life that came unbidden.

    These are the things that Tak wrote.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
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    The excitment the Chinese have when a new McDonalds opens up in Tokyo is a Buddhist impulse.

    McDonalds represents the West, and the values of freedom over tyranny.

    Hence, by exporting fast food, America is freeing China from tyranny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    The excitment the Chinese have when a new McDonalds opens up in Tokyo is a Buddhist impulse.

    McDonalds represents the West, and the values of freedom over tyranny.

    Hence, by exporting fast food, America is freeing China from tyranny.
    1/ Is this message a nonsensical parody of some sort?

    2/ By the way, have you noticed that contemporary Taiwan is a more free society than the US?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    1/ Is this message a nonsensical parody of some sort?

    That's certainly possible.

    2/ By the way, have you noticed that contemporary Taiwan is a more free society than the US?
    Do they have more fast food restaurants than the U.S. per capita?
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    Fast food in China represents the values of evidence and reason rather then the values of freedom and equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I say no. But that's because I'm saying so.
    What would happen is we subjected religious enlightenment to the Enlightenment values of evidence and reason?

    We would find that millennia of religious enlightenment has led to slavery, misogyny, child abuse, anti-semitism, and genocide.

    The fact is that the Enlightenment of 17th and 18th centuries was opposed by those who were religiously enlightened.

    Religious enlightenment opposed the Enlightenment values of evidence and reason, freedom and equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Fast food in China represents the values of evidence and reason rather then the values of freedom and equality.
    No, it represents the triumph of capitalism, which is the same thing as democracy, over communism.

    In Soviet Russia and in China, under Mao, you could not choose what products to consume.

    The bread lines were frequently stretched.

    Now, with McDonalds, the Chinese are free to consume a McRib or a Big Mac, French Fries or Chicken Nuggets.

    Freedom depends on choice.

    And the best place to emphasize choice is as a consumer of goods.

    Hence, McDonalds represents freedom.

    There is plenty of evidence to show that fast food is not healthy.

    Fast food is unreasonable to consume, so fast food in China cannot represent evidence and reason.

    Instead, fast food represents freedom and equality. (All customers are equal to a capitalist business. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by msg_v2 View Post
    Freedom depends on choice.
    Au contraire, freedom depends on the limitation of power.

    Ever since we discovered that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely, we have been learning to limit power through liberal democracy.

    And liberal democracy depends on the Separation of Powers, the separation of the Executive, the Legislature and the Judiciary.

    Liberal Democracy also depends on freedom of speech and a thriving civil society.

    But alas democracy was crushed by the tanks in Tiannamen Square.

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    here's a question for @Victor @msg_v2: what if we had a tyrant that provided the full scope of liberal values and liberterian notions? in effect, a minimalist, non-democratically elected tyrant that took nearly no taxes and did nothing but police and protect the people & their property from violence & theft (from outside & inside).

    who would have more freedom? the people under a modern democracy or the people under the liberal tyrant?

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