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    Default Sixth Grader Demolishes Christian in a Debate

    Christian asserts the premise that in order to know anything with certainty you have to know everything.

    Sixth grader asks: So in order to know that God exists you have to know everything?

    Christian stutters uncertainly, and then repeats the original premise as if the sixth grader didn't understand it.


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    The Christian makes a lot of sense. Even science is based on theories, suggestions, predispositions, and potentials. We are rarely certain of anything. Mathematics I would argue is the most certain of all the STEM fields. When we're being taught, as children, that 2+2=4, we are taught that that is an absolute. It is 100% correct. Questioning it will only lead you back to 2+2=4.

    No proof of something does not mean it does not exist. If I had no proof that viruses caused illness back in an age where people thought cold weather caused it, it would not mean I was wrong. I only lacked the ability to prove it at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    The Christian makes a lot of sense. Even science is based on theories, suggestions, predispositions, and potentials. We are rarely certain of anything. Mathematics I would argue is the most certain of all the STEM fields. When we're being taught, as children, that 2+2=4, we are taught that that is an absolute. It is 100% correct. Questioning it will only lead you back to 2+2=4.

    No proof of something does not mean it does not exist. If I had no proof that viruses caused illness back in an age where people thought cold weather caused it, it would not mean I was wrong. I only lacked the ability to prove it at the time.
    However, if faith ruled the science community, we would not know with certainty that viruses exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    The Christian makes a lot of sense. Even science is based on theories, suggestions, predispositions, and potentials. We are rarely certain of anything. Mathematics I would argue is the most certain of all the STEM fields. When we're being taught, as children, that 2+2=4, we are taught that that is an absolute. It is 100% correct. Questioning it will only lead you back to 2+2=4.
    One time in Calvin and Hobbes Calvin protested being taught math in school because he claimed it was a religion.
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    These sorts of charades and the intensity with which their fans circulate them leave me thinking that atheism's brief spell in the sun really is coming to close.

    On the other hand what will it have achieved in its time? It hasnt lead to a more civilised, thoughtful and humane religion, it has in fact accentuated and perpetuated the negative within and about religion.

    And religion's effect upon atheism and science? Well its inability to avoid mirroring the worst aspects of its opposition and its permitting of atheism and pseudo-science to frame the debate has been for the ill too.

    Better than snide, clever, trickery in disputatious debating would be an actual dialogue, that never happened and I dont think its possible at this juncture. The whole world and whole of humankind is the poorer for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    One time in Calvin and Hobbes Calvin protested being taught math in school because he claimed it was a religion.
    It was to pythagoras and many others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    It was to pythagoras and many others.
    I don't know anything with certainty unless I know everything (with certainty).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I don't know anything with certainty unless I know everything (with certainty).
    Why did you post that in response to what I posted and what do you think it means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Why did you post that in response to what I posted and what do you think it means?
    I don't know what your red herring response means, at least not with certainty. If only I knew everything with certainty, but then I would have to be God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    One time in Calvin and Hobbes Calvin protested being taught math in school because he claimed it was a religion.
    Early in this video, Hovind states equivalently the same thing.

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