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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    All this isn't the point.

    Kyu says, "The boy is asking for tangible evidence that cannot be provided." That's not what happened. The "boy" asked for some LOGIC that the Christian could not provide.

    Now I'd like to hear about "Christian logic" and how it is different.
    No, I think its entirely the point.

    Its the point you got to understand you're clearly failing, HARD, at doing so right now.

    I dont think you want to hear anything to be honest besides a capitulation and good examples of superior material than I'd furnish have been provided already but, hey, go with your sixth graders, they're at about your level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    No, I think its entirely the point.

    Its the point you got to understand you're clearly failing, HARD, at doing so right now.

    I dont think you want to hear anything to be honest besides a capitulation and good examples of superior material than I'd furnish have been provided already but, hey, go with your sixth graders, they're at about your level.
    Yet I asked you about Christian logic. Are you a 6th grader?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Yet I asked you about Christian logic. Are you a 6th grader?
    You still dont get it and I'm doubting you ever will.

    Edit: NB is this type related? I never been prejudiced against a type before but I'm thinking ESTP could be were to begin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    You still dont get it and I'm doubting you ever will.
    It's still my topic. I've invited you to start your own, but you refuse.
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    A lack of evidence for a thing's existence does disprove that thing's existence when that thing is defined in such a way that, if it existed, there would necessarily be a certain piece of evidence for its existence where, in fact, there is no such evidence. E.g. if I were to say that there exists a pink dragon that it's impossible for you not to see, and in fact, you don't see any such pink dragon, the pink dragon's existence has been disproved.

    A thing's existence is also disproved if it is defined in such a way that it inherently refers to nothing; i.e. in such a way that it can have no referent.
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    As a compliment to the George Coyne interview that @Peguy posted, I would like to post a pointer to this old book (that I believe I've posted before):
    http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=11876 (There is a free pdf to download here)
    http://www.nap.edu/audioplayer.php?record_id=11876&n=0 (podcast--sort of an advertisement for the book)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polaris View Post
    A lack of evidence for a thing's existence does disprove that thing's existence when that thing is defined in such a way that, if it existed, there would necessarily be a certain piece of evidence for its existence where, in fact, there is no such evidence. E.g. if I were to say that there exists a pink dragon that it's impossible for you not to see, and in fact, you don't see any such pink dragon, the pink dragon's existence has been disproved.

    A thing's existence is also disproved if it is defined in such a way that it inherently refers to nothing; i.e. in such a way that it can have no referent.
    Do you see a difference between necessary evidence and possible evidence? Do you have any criteria for determining what is necessary and what is possible evidence?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    No need to put yourself down. I am confident your didactic skills are up to the task.

    In any case, you could give an answer for the benefit of the whole forum. You see, I am not the only one intrigued by the originality of your thought. Nor am I the only one interested in a dissection of Coyne's views.
    You'll have to do better than that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    If you had written this, I would have agreed with it. That summarizes my own views rather closely. I have devoted my education and now my career to science, and do not take kindly to statements that appear to trivialize it, and do attempt to correct misunderstandings regarding it.
    This is exactly what I DID write from the very beginning. But the whole thread got out of hand because ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Kyu says, "The boy is asking for tangible evidence that cannot be provided." That's not what happened. The "boy" asked for some LOGIC that the Christian could not provide.

    Now I'd like to hear about "Christian logic" and how it is different.
    ... The semantics are still being argued over. You literally just said you agree with my viewpoint, but this is the viewpoint I started out with when I started this damn debate.

    And somehow, it turned into whether or not I agree/respect/whatever science. That's not what I was trying to debate about at all. I really, honestly, do like to stick to the OPs of threads for the most part. And yet, people kept picking apart my wording and magically we got to a point where my point was entirely lost in the entire thread.

    I made it. And I made it again. And now, somehow, it is not only my fault for writing books trying to explain how my words tie back into my point, but someone is NOW telling me "Well why didn't you just say that?!" I DID.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    You'll have to do better than that!
    It would get everyone to stop being so damn mean to me? You're better at all of this than I am..
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