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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    When and where did you see this?
    Outside of someone's house I was visiting when I was around 11 -12 yo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    Yeah. I think it's wiser not to presume. I imagine it does happen in all walks of life and faith. I just seem to have a hard time avoiding it in mine.
    I think its impossible to know the mind of God, in no small part because God is not like anything mankind has been able to comprehend, its almost a defining trait.

    Could be that God has intended life, one life, as his gift to mankind and IT is heaven or meant to be, people spoil it but there is nothing else after death and no after life or resurrection and all the discussion or debate or assurity about the same is futile.

    I presume nothing, I know the stories in the bible tell otherwise but maybe God felt that way then and has different ideas now, in fact my worst fear is not that God does not exist but does and has tired of humanity and left the earth a rock in space and started again elsewhere.

    I once read a strange Philip K Dick book which had a sci fi theme but in which God after the crucifixion had experienced a split personality and amnesia or other problems of mind and went to inhabit a mountain on another planet. It sounds crazy but it was an amazing read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I think its impossible to know the mind of God, in no small part because God is not like anything mankind has been able to comprehend, its almost a defining trait.

    Could be that God has intended life, one life, as his gift to mankind and IT is heaven or meant to be, people spoil it but there is nothing else after death and no after life or resurrection and all the discussion or debate or assurity about the same is futile.

    I presume nothing, I know the stories in the bible tell otherwise but maybe God felt that way then and has different ideas now, in fact my worst fear is not that God does not exist but does and has tired of humanity and left the earth a rock in space and started again elsewhere.

    I once read a strange Philip K Dick book which had a sci fi theme but in which God after the crucifixion had experienced a split personality and amnesia or other problems of mind and went to inhabit a mountain on another planet. It sounds crazy but it was an amazing read.
    I really wouldn't blame him (or other pronoun).

    I kind of figure we can't know for sure, but whether there is a God (or Gods) and whether that God is my God or somebody else's God or something nobody has thought of, I can't go wrong with following, to the best of my ability, Wheaton's Law: Don't be a dick. So my default is the religion in which I was raised, but I don't think that contradicts Wheaton's law. Though I have to admit that some of my co-religionists would consider that compromising with the world or tolerating sin, etc.

    If it turns out there is no God, I won't be sorry for trying to treat people right. If there is a God and it's not my God, most Gods seem to be cool with treating other people right, most of the time. If there is a God and that God is in favor of being a dick, I'll just have to accept whatever penalty there are for failing to be enough of a dick.

    And when I fail at my own ethics and I am a dick, well, I am only human and we really aren't a very nice species.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe View Post
    I really wouldn't blame him (or other pronoun).

    I kind of figure we can't know for sure, but whether there is a God (or Gods) and whether that God is my God or somebody else's God or something nobody has thought of, I can't go wrong with following, to the best of my ability, Wheaton's Law: Don't be a dick. So my default is the religion in which I was raised, but I don't think that contradicts Wheaton's law. Though I have to admit that some of my co-religionists would consider that compromising with the world or tolerating sin, etc.

    If it turns out there is no God, I won't be sorry for trying to treat people right. If there is a God and it's not my God, most Gods seem to be cool with treating other people right, most of the time. If there is a God and that God is in favor of being a dick, I'll just have to accept whatever penalty there are for failing to be enough of a dick.

    And when I fail at my own ethics and I am a dick, well, I am only human and we really aren't a very nice species.
    Hmm, well, there is the ethical humanism which runs like a red thread through all religions, in some shape, and probably does so because it corresponds to something within human nature and emanates from it.

    Although my thinking and feeling on religion has changes of late, those things remain important, however, less and less because they are ethical, human goods but more because they are also a homage to God, we all being made in his image and there being, rightly, passages in scriptures saying that no one can claim to love God who he has not seen and hate his neighbour who he has seen.

    More and more my religious faith and practice is about searching for God, here and now, as I live, all the different world religions and their views on the same can be informing and enlightening on this score.

    I cant believe there is a God in existence which wants or does evil or would reward it, since evil is negative, it is the abscence of something and that something is good and love which is God, in my understanding.

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    Once we start to grasp the enormity of the universe, angels and gods start to fall into place.

    It's plain we can't even grasp the size of our own galaxy, the Milky Way, never mind the other one hundred thousand million gallaxies accelerating away from us.

    So being unable to comprehend reality, we retreat into angels and gods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post

    So that had me wondering two things, first of all, do you believe in angels? Second, is that the most implausible thing about Christianity or religion and if it isnt what is in your opinion?
    Yes. Angels show up in almost every religion. I even consider Nike to be an angel. Look at her wings.

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