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  • God is Evil and cannot be overthrown.

    1 6.25%
  • God is Good and cannot be overthrown.

    7 43.75%
  • God is Evil and can be overthrown.

    6 37.50%
  • God is Good and can be overthrown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by En Gallop View Post
    It is wrong from a factual perspective - but maybe "incorrect" is a better word.
    Is it wrong to be incorrect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poimandres View Post
    If "it" feels nothing then it's experience of creation will not be joyous. Surely the Force has an ultimate purpose to realize, even if it uses evil means to achieve those ends. A life with no joy and no purpose to me is no life at all.



    This isn't based on political power structures; this is a question of which force of will has the power to control its own fate.



    Yes, he could also also be called an it (notive how I used the term "it" earlier).
    Why would its experience of creation have to be "joyous"? Is that a necessity?

    If the universe has a purpose, it's probably to create lots and lots of dust for some reason lol.

    I don't think a god can be "alive". To be alive means to "exist", and a creator god can hardly exist, can it?

    This isn't based on political power structures; this is a question of which force of will has the power to control its own fate.

    I don't really understand what this even means haha.




    BTW has anyone read the His Dark Materials books? They're one of my favourite series, and are basically about overthrowing God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Is it wrong to be incorrect?
    Well I don't see any advantage to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by En Gallop View Post
    Well I don't see any advantage to it.
    So it's right to have an advantage?
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    Humans created God, and s/he is both good and evil; and so since we created It we can destroy It.

    And this trollish quote makes me lol:
    God was my copilot but we crashed in the mountains and I had to eat him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by En Gallop View Post
    Why would its experience of creation have to be "joyous"? Is that a necessity?
    Because otherwise we would be lifeless robots.

    If the universe has a purpose, it's probably to create lots and lots of dust for some reason lol.
    That's the universe we observe, but there could be more out there, maybe above us somewhere, or beyond us.

    I don't think a god can be "alive". To be alive means to "exist", and a creator god can hardly exist, can it?
    The mind is alive if it experiences something I think. I think, therefore I am.

    This isn't based on political power structures; this is a question of which force of will has the power to control its own fate.

    I don't really understand what this even means haha.
    Do you have free will?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    So it's right to have an advantage?
    Either
    A. You are not intelligent enough to distinguish between using Right/Wrong differently in ethical contexts, to how you use it in mathematics (for eg).

    Or
    B. You are trolling me for your own strange pleasure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poimandres View Post
    Because otherwise we would be lifeless robots.



    That's the universe we observe, but there could be more out there, maybe above us somewhere, or beyond us.



    The mind is alive if it experiences something I think. I think, therefore I am.

    This isn't based on political power structures; this is a question of which force of will has the power to control its own fate.



    Do you have free will?
    Why would we be lifeless robots, just because God is (actually it wouldn't be, but for the sake of argument... haha)?

    Yes, there could be even more dust than we know of.

    I think we have a very limited amount of free will, but even that isn't really free will.


    The mind is alive if it experiences something I think

    I'm not sure we can be absolutely certain about that lol.

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    What does it even mean to overthrow God?
    Your kisses, sweeter than honey. But guess what, so is my money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by En Gallop View Post
    Either
    A. You are not intelligent enough to distinguish between using Right/Wrong differently in ethical contexts, to how you use it in mathematics (for eg).

    Or
    B. You are trolling me for your own strange pleasure.
    Why should I or anyone care if either of those are the case?
    Take the weakest thing in you
    And then beat the bastards with it
    And always hold on when you get love
    So you can let go when you give it

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