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"In a certain light, wouldn't nuclear war be exciting?"

In a certain light, wouldn't nuclear war be exciting?


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So you're trolling. The "everything is fine but don't talk about concentration camps" was a troll joke.

Or else you're embarrassed that a 10 year old ISFJ emerged from your INTP soul and said something super-dumb.
 
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Who doesn't know that Nagasaki or Hiroshima were an attack against a race/nation of people?

Who doesn't know this?


This is my first time hearing it portrayed in this light, it being an attack against a race apart from an enemy.
 

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So you're trolling. The "everything is fine but don't talk about concentration camps" was a troll joke.

Or else you're embarrassed that a 10 year old ISFJ emerged from your INTP soul and said something super-dumb.
Nice try.
 

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This is my first time hearing it portrayed in this light, it being an attack against a race apart from an enemy.

The Germans saw Jews as enemies who were infiltrating their society.

I think it's interesting the way that history has reframed Jewish people as the only victims, when people such as German homosexuals and Russians and Poles were also murdered.

Most of the people who died in the two bombs dropped in Japan were civilians, many were children.

The United States also had holding camps for Japanese-Americans during WWII, but did not torture them in the same way that Germans tortured people in their camps.
 
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The Germans saw Jews as enemies who were infiltrating their society.

I think it's interesting the way that history has reframed Jewish people as the only victims, when people such as German homosexuals and Russians and Poles were also murdered.

Most of the people who died in the two bombs dropped in Japan were civilians, many were children.

The United States also had holding camps for Japanese-Americans during WWII, but did not torture them in the same way that Germans tortured people in their camps.


Yes, unfortunate measures were enacted - TSA v0.1. However, I do not view anything that happened in those two cities as anything comparable to what the Germans did to minority groups, or the Japanese did to China, or the Russians did to themselves.
 

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Yes, unfortunate measures were enacted - TSA v0.1. However, I do not view anything that happened in those two cities as anything comparable to what the Germans did to minority groups, or the Japanese did to China, or the Russians did to themselves.

You have a kind of weird patriotism that is common in ISTJs.

We couldn't have "won" WWII without the Russians as our allies, the Soviet part of WWII battle with Germany was huge, and yes the Japanese had their weird death before dishonor thing, but I really don't think the SECOND atomic bomb was necessary.

But Merka, fuck yeah, right, brah?
 

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So you're trolling.
Nope.

I never said you couldn't talk about holocaust, but you need to realize that there's a difference between watching people agonizing to the point of desiring they had never been born and watching a giant explosion (that's basically all I would see).

Besides, no one has to die, as "in a certain light" gives a lot of flexibility for the scenarios.
 

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Nope.

I never said you couldn't talk about holocaust, but you need to realize that there's a difference between watching people agonizing to the point of desiring they had never been born and watching a giant explosion (that's basically all I would see).

Besides, no one has to die, as "in a certain light" gives a lot of flexibility for the scenarios.

Oh really? A giant explosion is all you see?

How about you google "chernobyl" in google images.





I'll wait.


































And that wasn't even a bomb, that's just fall-out from a nuclear plant explosion.
 

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The scenario is mine, and I control the variables.

If there's a declared nuclear war, it is expected that people would wear anti radiation clothes.

Also...

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You have a kind of weird patriotism that is common in ISTJs.

We couldn't have "won" WWII without the Russians as our allies, the Soviet part of WWII battle with Germany was huge, and yes the Japanese had their weird death before dishonor thing, but I really don't think the SECOND atomic bomb was necessary.

But Merka, fuck yeah, right, brah?


I did not state the Russians were of no help, I simply contrasted the era of red terror to the two atomic bombings... but yes, they were savages even in battle. It worked, I guess.


The first bomb was justified, then? So it can be logically extended the necessity of the second bomb is a matter of opinion? Bare in mind it resulted in an objective conclusion of the Pacific front with the added benefit of minimizing American (and Japanese, perhaps) causalities.


But yeah, again - good read, I love 'Merka.
 

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I did not state the Russians were of no help, I simply contrasted the era of red terror to the two atomic bombings... but yes, they were savages even in battle. It worked, I guess.

Your attitude is so gross. You seem to be unaware that these were the same people who had a golden age of literature and had produced some of the greatest mathematicians, dancers, and gymnasts in the world.

The first bomb was justified, then? So it can be logically extended the necessity of the second bomb is a matter of opinion? Bare in mind it resulted in an objective conclusion of the Pacific front with the added benefit of minimizing American (and Japanese, perhaps) causalities.


But yeah, again - good read, I love 'Merka.

Yeah and if you'd lived in Russia or Cuba or South Africa, you'd be proud there too.
 
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Your attitude is so gross. You seem to be unaware that these were the same people who had a golden age of literature and had produced some of the greatest mathematicians, dancers, and gymnasts in the world.


One of my favorite pieces was written during the war by a Russian about the siege of Leningrad.


Yeah and if you'd lived in Russia or Cuba or South Africa, you'd be proud there too.


Concurred (though with less validity, of course).
 

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One of my favorite pieces was written during the war by a Russian about the siege of Leningrad.





Concurred (though with less validity, of course).

You just called Russian people savages. You can call the Bolsheviks who overtook the Romanovs peasant savages, because they were, but don't call the Russians savages, it's racism against Slavic people, and it makes me want to barf.

It's like you saying some of your best friends are black. It's weird to me. I don't like it, especially since I see Russian culture historically as so noble, it's actually one of the more elevated and advanced world cultures, in the big picture.
 
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You just called Russian people savages. You can call the Bolsheviks who overtook the Romanovs peasant savages, because they were, but don't call the Russians savages, it's racism against Slavic people, and it makes me want to barf.

It's like you saying some of your best friends are black. It's weird to me. I don't like it, especially since I see Russian culture historically as so noble, it's actually one of the more elevated and advanced world cultures, in the big picture.


Uh, I said in battle they were savages. Because they were.


Though I should amend, there is an account of a British officer during the Battle of the Somme shooting one out a pack of deserters to convince them to return to battle. That officer was a savage as well, for those few moments. Battle is weird.
 

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Uh, I said in battle they were savages. Because they were.


Though I should amend, there is an account of a British officer during the Battle of the Somme shooting one out a pack of deserters to convince them to return to battle. That officer was a savage as well, for those few moments. Battle is weird.

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Hardly comparable, as an isolated event versus a systematic structure. But I see how knowledge of that would make you feel all warm inside, given this context.

Hardly comparable, given the long and detailed history of Russian savagery, and that one isolated incident of Americans acting like savages, like the Hatfields and the McCoys, African-American slavery, school shootings, and the Abu Ghraib prison torture.
 
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