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    The circle closes, the lights go out, you people leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    You guys are all trying to kill us. You must not have been listening to my entire tirade.


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    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Damn. If you guys keep engaging Marm in arguments, she's easily going to beat my post count by the end of 2013.

    I hate you all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Damn. If you guys keep engaging Marm in arguments, she's easily going to beat my post count by the end of 2013.

    I hate you all.
    Then you need to become a mod again so you can ban her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Such Irony View Post
    Then you need to become a mod again so you can ban her.
    I like the way you think.
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    Getting chased by a murderous killer can be exciting. Doesn't make it fun or pleasurable.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    Getting chased by a murderous killer can be exciting. Doesn't make it fun or pleasurable.
    Yeah, I dont think that's anything but a hypothetical.

    Exciting it wouldnt be, horrible or terrifying, yes, it could involve an adrenaline rush and some survival mechanisms, surely, although excitment involves enjoyment and there's no way you're enjoying stuff like that unless you've got serious risk taking behaviours issues.

    Nothing about these hypotheticals seems like fun or anything like it, either there's been a lot of desensitisation going on, a lot of abstraction and theorising about remote possiblities or something.

    Then again Orwell mused disappointedly about how people flocked to macabre wax works of atrocities from the great war in the period before the rise of Hitler and the second world war by which point he was writing essays criticising socialists and democrats failure to grasp the appeal of war mongering and Hitler, so the whole question isnt a new one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yeah, I dont think that's anything but a hypothetical.

    Exciting it wouldnt be, horrible or terrifying, yes, it could involve an adrenaline rush and some survival mechanisms, surely, although excitment involves enjoyment and there's no way you're enjoying stuff like that unless you've got serious risk taking behaviours issues.

    Nothing about these hypotheticals seems like fun or anything like it, either there's been a lot of desensitisation going on, a lot of abstraction and theorising about remote possiblities or something.

    Then again Orwell mused disappointedly about how people flocked to macabre wax works of atrocities from the great war in the period before the rise of Hitler and the second world war by which point he was writing essays criticising socialists and democrats failure to grasp the appeal of war mongering and Hitler, so the whole question isnt a new one.
    It would not be boring though, would it? Although I know i'm arguing semantics and it's true that just because something isn't boring that doesn't make it exciting, but I tend to see excitement as either a state of anticipation for something desired or enjoyed or a heightened state brought on by a rush of adrenaline.

    The point is that what is considered enjoyable is up to the individual. Also enjoyment through excitement is just one emotion, in any given situation a person can be feeling a great mixture of emotions, including fear, anger, joy and any others you might think of. Very often a person doesn't know how they might react to something until it actually arises, as you said it's hypothetical.

    I'm also not saying I, or many others for that matter, would find a nuclear war exciting, in fact such an event would be a cause of tragedy, but the OP's question is of course more about the state of mind someone might possess to answer yes to such a question in the first place. If we were to take the question at face value of course the answer is yes, there is no way it couldn't be as there is bound to be at least a single person somewhere who does find excitement in nuclear war and certainly so from the perspective of 'a certain light'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    It would not be boring though, would it? Although I know i'm arguing semantics and it's true that just because something isn't boring that doesn't make it exciting, but I tend to see excitement as either a state of anticipation for something desired or enjoyed or a heightened state brought on by a rush of adrenaline.

    The point is that what is considered enjoyable is up to the individual. Also enjoyment through excitement is just one emotion, in any given situation a person can be feeling a great mixture of emotions, including fear, anger, joy and any others you might think of. Very often a person doesn't know how they might react to something until it actually arises, as you said it's hypothetical.

    I'm also not saying I, or many others for that matter, would find a nuclear war exciting, in fact such an event would be a cause of tragedy, but the OP's question is of course more about the state of mind someone might possess to answer yes to such a question in the first place. If we were to take the question at face value of course the answer is yes, there is no way it couldn't be as there is bound to be at least a single person somewhere who does find excitement in nuclear war and certainly so from the perspective of 'a certain light'.
    There's a great difference between being terrified or desperate to survive and excitement, its not just a matter of semantics, I do think its a matter of not properly understanding or applying those descriptive words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    There's a great difference between being terrified or desperate to survive and excitement, its not just a matter of semantics, I do think its a matter of not properly understanding or applying those descriptive words.
    I think this is going to be a disagreement of understanding anyhow. Where did I say it was about being terrified or desperate to survive. I already pointed out that what someone experiences is individual to them.

    Also on my point about adrenaline:

    An adrenaline rush is the fight or flight response of the adrenal gland, in which it releases adrenaline (epinephrine). When releasing adrenaline, one's body releases dopamine and endorphin which can act as a natural pain killers. An adrenaline rush causes the muscles to perform respiration at an increased rate improving strength. It also works with the nervous system to interpret impulses that trigger selective glands.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenaline_Rush

    Now let us look up dopamine and endorphin.

    Dopamine: Dopamine plays a major role in the brain system that is responsible for reward-driven learning. Every type of reward that has been studied increases the level of dopamine transmission in the brain, and a variety of addictive drugs, including stimulants such as cocaine, amphetamine, and methamphetamine, act directly on the dopamine system. Personality traits such as extraversion and reward seeking have been linked to higher sensitivity to rewarding stimuli of the mesolimbic dopamine system.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine

    Now Endorphin:
    The term "endorphin rush" has been adopted in popular speech to refer to feelings of exhilaration brought on by pain, danger, or other forms of stress, supposedly due to the influence of endorphins. When a nerve impulse reaches the spinal cord, endorphins that prevent nerve cells from releasing more pain signals are released.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorphin

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exhilarating

    exhilarating [ɪgˈzɪləˌreɪtɪŋ]
    adj
    causing strong feelings of excitement and happiness an exhilarating helicopter trip
    exhilaratingly adv
    ex·cite·ment
    /ikˈsītmənt/
    Noun
    A feeling of great enthusiasm and eagerness.
    Something that arouses such a feeling; an exciting incident.
    So an individual can find such situations exciting, which is what I said. I never said they could not also find them frightening or mortifying.

    I'm not saying you wrote this, by the way, but emotions don't come in blocks, they are multifaceted and people usually feel more than one or two at a time.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
    - A.A. Milne.

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