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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    They understand fine. They just don't care. In this, yeah, holla back Fi. Just like you were saying. But I'm adding in a layer of description. I say caring about particular kinds of images is super fine and it's jim dandy. The images carry the day. And the Ni's and Si's of the world look to images that are different in kind and content. I'll go ahead and assert you can see it at work even when you get NTPs saying yes to this question. They still need to mention horrors and how, categorically, once the horror is out of the way blah blah blah. (But when STPs say no, who knows what's afoot.)

    What's the meeting point? How do differences in perspective and focus get together and communicate? It's looks a lot like they just batter each other for a while and then some contingent factor takes over, like who has power or authority, or who got tired, or who forgot this or that. It's pretty grim as a vision of communication.

    What if we said: in a certain light, massive and systemic failure to communicate can be exciting? I do wonder who would say yes and who would say no.
    Apparently I find that overly exciting.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post

    My argument from the beginning was built on my ethics and what I saw as reality, and my personal interpretation of the word "exciting."



    Are you sure you're an INTP? You don't know why I'd make a comparison to the fantasy and reality of something? Why fantasies are exciting but often not when compared with the reality of that thing happening.

    And yes, some people interpreted the word "exciting" to mean fun or pleasurable, like "hey cool, bombs."
    That's fine - the main disagreement between us is about the added "positive element" to the word exciting. It can be meant both ways, but I kind of mean "unboring" when I use it in this context.


    I'm not one hundred percent sure about being INTP, like I'm not one hundred percent sure about anything haha. I think I probably am though, from what I've read and understood so far.


    I see the diference between fantasy and reality. Personally, I find fantasy far more interesting and realistic. You can't have a realistic perspective about things without a solid amount of imagination, I think. You have to go through the imagination to reach reality.

    What you mean by "reality" is "personal experience". This tends to be very important to the individual (obviously), but gives a very small view of the real picture. Anyway, I think I'm going off the thread topic too now lol.


    Haha, yeah I didn't mean it like that. But aren't you doing a similar thing: "Urgh, ugly horrible bombs?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    Trolling is against the rules, so no you don't take them seriously. The people who take them the most seriously are the people who are the most polite and pleasant and never troll.
    Sounds boring. Typoc is not ISFJforum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marmotini View Post
    I'm not fighting with you, I was trying to get you to see the reality of nuclear war. You're the one who told me to get some Ne, and to tone down the Fi, so you kind of started it.
    You might call that trolling, but I call it a lighthearted joke.

    And I believe mods would find those much more acceptable than calling someone a "emotionally retarded hypocrite".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    It says, dear Nicodemus, how I learnt to stop worrying and love the bomb.

    As you can see, it is a strangelove.

    So sit back, light up a cigar, and enjoy the trailer for the movie, "Dr Strangelove - or How I Learnt to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb", by clicking http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvhuMNSbglY
    My dear Victor,

    I have seen the film in question in its entirety, even repeatedly, finding it exciting, fun, and good in a number of ways.

    So I take it you will understand me when I say in the spirit of strangelove: "Mein Führer, I can see."

    In fact, let me say: "I can see clearly now; the rain is gone."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Sounds boring. Typoc is not ISFJ forum.
    oh but you see my dear, it is ISFJ forum...the way INTPs make rules are the same way ISFJs make rules, as long as you're "mean" in the socially acceptable way, the thing that's more offensive are authentic displays of emotion...it's kind of like "learn to be mean in our way, or STFU and live in fear of being infracted"

    It's why JTG bombed the site, he said he couldn't stand the inconsistency and hypocrisy, and it's why I've long believed his self-typing of ISTJ, because his idea of rules is more like a place like INTJ forum. He did much better there. I don't think he was ever infracted, no not even once. Because as harsh as they are, it's consistent.


    You might call that trolling, but I call it a lighthearted joke.

    And I believe mods would find those much more acceptable than calling someone a "emotionally retarded hypocrite".

    Just a guess.
    Oh I know some of the former mods here, and have talked with them about it. I'm not as dumb as some people seem to think I am, I just get too caught up in arguments with people, that's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    My dear Victor,

    I have seen the film in question in its entirety, even repeatedly, finding it exciting, fun, and good in a number of ways.

    So I take it you will understand me when I say in the spirit of strangelove: "Mein Führer, I can see."

    In fact, let me say: "I can see clearly now; the rain is gone."
    Bravo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by En Gallop View Post
    That's fine - the main disagreement between us is about the added "positive element" to the word exciting. It can be meant both ways, but I kind of mean "unboring" when I use it in this context.
    And that's cool. Maybe if someone had said "unboring" twenty pages ago, I would have gotten it a lot sooner.


    I'm not one hundred percent sure about being INTP, like I'm not one hundred percent sure about anything haha. I think I probably am though, from what I've read and understood so far.


    I see the diference between fantasy and reality. Personally, I find fantasy far more interesting and realistic. You can't have a realistic perspective about things without a solid amount of imagination, I think. You have to go through the imagination to reach reality.

    What you mean by "reality" is "personal experience". This tends to be very important to the individual (obviously), but gives a very small view of the real picture. Anyway, I think I'm going off the thread topic too now lol.


    Haha, yeah I didn't mean it like that. But aren't you doing a similar thing: "Urgh, ugly horrible bombs?"
    YES...and that's why I keep saying it's Fi, and ENFPs like @skylights said she doesn't really feel excited about things she finds unpleasant to think about...Fi tends to feel very strongly about things.

    So a lot of people have said "don't feel strongly ethically about this" but if you're an Fi type, and take nuclear war seriously (ofc some people don't) then you're going to have a hard time putting it into perspective unless you calm down and use other functions.

    Fi types tend to lose it about different things, though; though you'll see some similarities of them largely not caring for human suffering or ugliness, they all have different ideas of precisely what that means, and which field they'll "specialize."

    Yes, that's apt, just like INTPs, Ti types, might academically specialize in a certain subject, I think Fi types "specialize" in a certain area, so to speak, they have stronger ethics about certain topics than others, and then on the rest they can be more like live and let live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Let's say you consider pleasure and fun a "good" thing and nuclear war a "bad" thing, while I think that there are aspects of nuclear war that are fun. How, in this scenario, are my ethics/morals questionable?
    Well, war (including nuclear war) is typically "bad" because of the casualties and destruction so if someone derived fun from the situation, I would question their morals. How could one see things as "fun" when people and the world around them are being destroyed? There would a contradiction in how one experiences it while others suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    And I believe mods would find those much more acceptable than calling someone a "emotionally retarded hypocrite".

    Just a guess.
    Oh btw I was already infracted for that, I'm not sure why the post even is still there or wasn't altered.

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