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    Quote Originally Posted by Abhaya View Post
    Is this similar to trans personal psychology?
    Transpersonal psychology concerns itself with those states of conscious awareness and experience that transcend the individual, or perhaps better said, the experiences of sensation, emotion, and cognition.

    In that sense, transpersonal psychology is a subset of the Integral psychology, which incorporates all of those things (and more).


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    Quote Originally Posted by aeon View Post
    Transpersonal psychology concerns itself with those states of conscious awareness and experience that transcend the individual, or perhaps better said, the experiences of sensation, emotion, and cognition.

    In that sense, transpersonal psychology is a subset of the Integral psychology, which incorporates all of those things (and more).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Abhaya View Post
    What I get from it is that maybe for a given situation one would think how all types such as the MBTIs would fit into a given scenario and then do this in all quadrants, all levels, all stages etc.
    I'm having trouble imagining this. How would MBTI apply to the plural quadrant or the external one? Personality seems to me to be only individual and internal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SquirrelTao View Post
    I'm having trouble imagining this. How would MBTI apply to the plural quadrant or the external one? Personality seems to me to be only individual and internal.
    Well, that is a good point. I don't claim to understand how it fits in all quadrants. My guess would be that personality of individuals play a part in culture and social systems. (?)
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    *bump*

    This guy (Ken Wilbur) fascinates me. Anyone have a view on what his type is?
    He has to be E9 and some flavour of NP. Comes across as an extrovert. I've noticed people who are more integrated tend to be more balanced on T/F and I/E (and thus harder to type). Or perhaps people who are more balanced just come across as more integrated? Dunno.
    I'd say ENTP, tentatively. Ne-dom almost certainly.

    Attached on interiorists vs exteriorists in US politics is interesting (you need a basic understanding of Spiral Dynamics / Integral Theory to know what he is talking about).

    Thoughts?

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    Thanks for bumping this thread - and for this video Morgan. I suspect that Ken Wilbur is almost balanced E/I. I am not so certain about the ENTP tho?? He seems to be extraverting his iNtuition?? From conversations with both ENTPs and INTPs, his confidence in addressing a group, and his natural ability to interpret for an audience he is seeking to inform fits closer to INTPs rather than ENTPs - would an ENTP care to comment?? Most other INTPs I know (and I know a few), confidence and passion in a subject where seeking to inform others, no matter how large the audience/group, is a position that would seem to belie the perception of how an I functions.
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    Hm. Maybe. But his manner of gesturing and charismatic, fluent way of speaking say "extrovert" to me. Just one who has introspected / meditated a great deal. (The guy can control his own brainwaves!?!)

    I used to know a brilliant ENTP architect with a similar sort of global way of thinking and connecting everything. I would get exhausted just listening to him speak and trying to keep up with all his ideas, but I could see how much it energized him to have an audience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    Attached on interiorists vs exteriorists in US politics is interesting (you need a basic understanding of Spiral Dynamics / Integral Theory to know what he is talking about).

    Thoughts?

    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQRUu_4W2j8"]Integral Politics[/YOUTUBE]
    "Buddha in some ways was a staunch Republican and in other ways a staunch Democrat."

    I stopped paying attention after he said that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    "Buddha in some ways was a staunch Republican and in other ways a staunch Democrat."

    I stopped paying attention after he said that.
    That's because you're a J.

    It was really interesting. Your loss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan Le Fay View Post
    That's because you're a J.

    It was really interesting. Your loss.
    May I ask what you found interesting about it? I'm curious.

    For me, to try to draw connections between Republicans and Democrats and teachings of the Buddha presents alot of considerable problems, just as it would if you did the same of connecting them to Christ. First off, this means blurring the lines between political ideologies and religious/philosophical teachings. Not only that, but Republicans and Democrats are both operating within the same political parameters, just with two different twists. To try to draw some major categorical differences on that premise also presents problems. That's kinda my basic take on this.

    I understand the basic point he's trying to make(interiorists focus more on personal responsibility vs exteriorists who focus more on social responsibility), I just object to the methodology and paradigm he's operating under to make it.

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