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  • It already has in spirit if not in numbers

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  • In the next 100 years

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  • In the next 1,000 years

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  • In the next 10,000 years

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  • In the next 100,000 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Atheism is a minority view and if anything, organized religion seems to be gaining momentum.
    Not in Europe.

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    There's a very slow decline in religion but the question is, will it ever fully stop? Probably not. Humans will always need to feel safe, secure and trying to avoid their innate fear of death. That's where God and by extension, religion, comes in. Without a God, the universe is cold, without feeling, without reason and there's no help and no life after death. Living with the purposelessness of existence is a tough fact for most people to handle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I agree with both, and would prefer to see agnosticism take over. It is the only logically defensible position regarding deity.
    As an acceptance in society that we can't know much (if anything) about a transcendent being, I agree: objectively, that's the truth. But I don't want spirituality to be removed from the scene: all we'd have left is pitiful materialism.

    Religion as a subjective matter that the individual goes through, I'd like to develop; it would be best to eliminate it as a collective thing, unless it so happens to we all go through the same collective experiences and thoughts. It's hard to explain what I mean - it seems - as my words don't seem to fully explain my thoughts to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Atheism doesn't replace religion. It replaces theism.
    Well spotted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    Not in Europe.
    But Europe is increasingly the exception, not the rule. Even then, Europe is ironically the center of the growing field of post-secular studies - with its basic premise concerning the continual and even increasing relevance of religion in modern societies that are overall secular by nature. One example is the Czech Republic, where a majority are atheist but yet religion is still highly respected. Europe is also increasingly seeing the growth of small but very dynamic movements of religious revivals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Bubble View Post
    There's a very slow decline in religion but the question is, will it ever fully stop? Probably not. Humans will always need to feel safe, secure and trying to avoid their innate fear of death. That's where God and by extension, religion, comes in. Without a God, the universe is cold, without feeling, without reason and there's no help and no life after death. Living with the purposelessness of existence is a tough fact for most people to handle.
    Without God, we are still left with plenty of human feeling, and human reason. Since belief in God is just that -- belief -- the uncertainty about life after death would remain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aesthete View Post
    As an acceptance in society that we can't know much (if anything) about a transcendent being, I agree: objectively, that's the truth. But I don't want spirituality to be removed from the scene: all we'd have left is pitiful materialism.

    Religion as a subjective matter that the individual goes through, I'd like to develop; it would be best to eliminate it as a collective thing, unless it so happens to we all go through the same collective experiences and thoughts. It's hard to explain what I mean - it seems - as my words don't seem to fully explain my thoughts to me.
    You don't want spirituality removed from the scene, even if it is a figment of the imagination? I do favor disorganized religion myself. While a personal spiritual journey may be a common element of the human experience (cf. eating), how each person realizes it is quite individual, limiting the utility of collective religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    You don't want spirituality removed from the scene, even if it is a figment of the imagination? I do favor disorganized religion myself. While a personal spiritual journey may be a common element of the human experience (cf. eating), how each person realizes it is quite individual, limiting the utility of collective religion.
    Wait, do you call it a figment of the imagination, or is there a misunderstanding of what I said? Now, I'm quite certain there is a soul (I don't feel like regurgitating he argument at the moment, but perhaps I'll discuss it with you later): an eternal, transcendent part of ourselves - or, better put, our real selves.

    The thing is you cannot experience your own soul in the collective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aesthete View Post
    Wait, do you call it a figment of the imagination, or is there a misunderstanding of what I said? Now, I'm quite certain there is a soul (I don't feel like regurgitating he argument at the moment, but perhaps I'll discuss it with you later): an eternal, transcendent part of ourselves - or, better put, our real selves.

    The thing is you cannot experience your own soul in the collective.
    Soul inside us would maybe be more likely, or aptly called, immanence. Transcendence means God without us. Immanence means God within us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Soul inside us would maybe be more likely, or aptly called, immanence. Transcendence means God without us. Immanence means God within us.

    Nice post.
    Yes, you're correct. By "transcendent" I meant that it can exist independently of the material, but you're terminology is more correct.

    Thank you.
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    Next week.

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