User Tag List

First 9101112 Last

Results 101 to 110 of 117

  1. #101
    philosopher wood nymph greenfairy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    MBTI
    iNfj
    Enneagram
    6w5 sx/sp
    Posts
    4,042

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Being inter-subjective, I can see myself in your eyes and you can see yourself in my eyes.

    Babies, for instance, find their sense of self in their mother's eyes. The mother mirrors the self back to the baby.

    And our brain has mirror neurons to do just this.
    Yes; how is this relevant?

  2. #102
    & Badger, Ratty and Toad Mole's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    18,529
    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Yes; how is this relevant?
    Good question.

    Well, being inter-subjective we assign agency to others.

    And assigning agency to others has helped us survive.

    And our survival is increased by over assigning agency rather than under assigning agency.

    So we over assign agency to natural events and call them gods. And we over assign agency to something caught out of the corner of our eye and call them fairies.

    Do you think that is relevant?

  3. #103
    philosopher wood nymph greenfairy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    MBTI
    iNfj
    Enneagram
    6w5 sx/sp
    Posts
    4,042

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Good question.

    Well, being inter-subjective we assign agency to others.

    And assigning agency to others has helped us survive.

    And our survival is increased by over assigning agency rather than under assigning agency.

    So we over assign agency to natural events and call them gods. And we over assign agency to something caught out of the corner of our eye and call them fairies.

    Do you think that is relevant?
    Interesting. Yeah I think that was a lot of it. Of course, I still think they exist. But that's just my opinion.

  4. #104
    Senior Member Survive & Stay Free's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    ESTJ
    Enneagram
    9 so/sx
    Posts
    21,630

    Default

    Inter-subjectivity is one of the better things to come out of the continued evolution of psycho-analysis and attachment theories.

    On the other hand integrating it with an atheistic "I am all and everything" idea is mistaken and another case of seeking rationalisations after the fact when you've already reached decisions about the external world and begun exercising a confirmation bias.

    Its mistaken. Although its a mistake of some pedigree given that it dates back as far as Descartes and a great many contemporary theories have it as a half forgotten or unacknowledged foundation and first principle. There are externalities to the human mind, there always have been and always will be, regardless of human comprehension and what they think or feel about them or what legacies have attached to them from time to time. No one thinks about gravitation in this manner for instance.

    The thing about atheism is that it could enlist intersubjective theories to illustrate how humans have projected meanings into naturalistic events, such as the wind, good religious thinking has done so too and was the first cause in human kinds wrestling with and defense against superstition. However atheism, objectively, goes one step further. It is not the denial of divine underpinnings to natural catastrophy for instance but the natural catasrophy itself, when no one surely could really deny that the wind blows, rain falls, currents push and pull etc. regardless of our thinking or feeling about them.

  5. #105
    Analytical Dreamer Coriolis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    MBTI
    INTJ
    Enneagram
    5w6 sp/sx
    Posts
    17,556

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    On the other hand integrating it with an atheistic "I am all and everything" idea is mistaken and another case of seeking rationalisations after the fact when you've already reached decisions about the external world and begun exercising a confirmation bias.
    The more accurate and workable idea is "we are all and everything", with the "we" extending across the span of human generations.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

  6. #106
    & Badger, Ratty and Toad Mole's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    18,529
    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Interesting. Yeah I think that was a lot of it. Of course, I still think they exist. But that's just my opinion.
    I favour tree sprites. And why not, I live in an urban forest and each tree has its own tree sprite. I am carried along each day by 700,000 tree sprites and their attendant creatures from possums to a kingdom of birds, from frilly lizards to a universe of ants. Why, just the other day a tree sprite told me there are more species of ant on Black Mountain in the middle of Canberra than there are in the whole of the United Kingdom.

  7. #107
    Senior Member The Great One's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2012
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Enneagram
    6w7
    Posts
    3,461

    Default

    I've seen a fairy before! Really I have! You have to believe me! In fact he even has a profile on this site!

    @Elfboy

    EDIT: Come on you know that's funny!

  8. #108
    & Badger, Ratty and Toad Mole's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    18,529
    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    I've seen a fairy before! Really I have! You have to believe me! In fact he even has a profile on this site!
    All that is necessary to sup with a fairy is to suspend our disbelief.

  9. #109
    philosopher wood nymph greenfairy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    MBTI
    iNfj
    Enneagram
    6w5 sx/sp
    Posts
    4,042

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I favour tree sprites. And why not, I live in an urban forest and each tree has its own tree sprite. I am carried along each day by 700,000 tree sprites and their attendant creatures from possums to a kingdom of birds, from frilly lizards to a universe of ants. Why, just the other day a tree sprite told me there are more species of ant on Black Mountain in the middle of Canberra than there are in the whole of the United Kingdom.
    That's awesome!
    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    I've seen a fairy before! Really I have! You have to believe me! In fact he even has a profile on this site!

    @Elfboy

    EDIT: Come on you know that's funny!
    Well he's an elf anyway.

  10. #110
    Senior Member Survive & Stay Free's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    MBTI
    ESTJ
    Enneagram
    9 so/sx
    Posts
    21,630

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    The more accurate and workable idea is "we are all and everything", with the "we" extending across the span of human generations.
    No, not really, my point is that when Copernicus discovered that the earth, and man, were not the centre of the universe he didnt succeed in changing the thinking which underpinned those ideas, even while proclaiming infinesimal importance or meaninglessness thinking for some time has remained mankind centric, perhaps its fated to be so but thankfully denying external cosmological forces like God has not led to simultaneously denying gravitation or anything else like it.

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 1
    Last Post: 08-31-2014, 09:45 AM
  2. [MBTItm] How can I tell if I'm and INFP or ISFP?
    By ItsAlwaysSunny in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 06-08-2011, 03:45 PM
  3. How can you distinguish between Ne-Fi and Fi-Ne?
    By FalseHeartDothKnow in forum Myers-Briggs and Jungian Cognitive Functions
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 04-16-2010, 09:47 AM
  4. The joy of being unreachable and not connected
    By UnitOfPopulation in forum The Bonfire
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 11-14-2009, 05:56 PM
  5. How can a young person become a hero/ine?
    By coberst in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 10-30-2009, 10:36 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO