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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    So I had the thought that emotions are pure soulful expressions from the unconscious.

    And that feelings are ego expressions.

    Emotions lie deeper and become twisted by our ego. And depending upon how convoluted our egos are, emotions can become twisted as well.

    Things in life are usually more pure when they are simple and straightforward. It has been taught by spiritual gurus that annihilating the personal ego and assuming God's will is ideal. So too would feelings fall away, if we could do away with our ego, leaving us with raw emotion.

    Is raw emotion therefore like something an animal manifests? Angrily guarding a piece of meat? Lustily mating? Lazily lounging? Possessively marking?

    Do we need our ego to keep us human?


    Does any of this make sense, and is any of it worth discussing?
    Imo emotions are the result of strong feeling judgments(this is also what jung said, but didnt say the following) coming to ego, kinda like the responce of ego towards them. Feelings themselves are just positive-negative scale which is purely an expression of the unconscious, but there is another scale which combines with this and is passive-active(these two scales combined create thing called core affect i suggest google), imo this passive-active scale is a result on how ego reacts to this positive-negative thing that the unconscious tells to it.
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    I wonder about the day when emotions no longer matter, when we are all but memories in the super highway of technology.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

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    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Imo emotions are the result of strong feeling judgments(this is also what jung said, but didnt say the following) coming to ego, kinda like the responce of ego towards them. Feelings themselves are just positive-negative scale which is purely an expression of the unconscious, but there is another scale which combines with this and is passive-active(these two scales combined create thing called core affect i suggest google), imo this passive-active scale is a result on how ego reacts to this positive-negative thing that the unconscious tells to it.
    So you are saying kind of the opposite of what I was saying? That feelings/thoughts are deeper than ego and emotion is expression of ego?

    I'll have to ponder it. I think since feelings and thoughts are conscious-minded phenomena they are not of the unconscious. I see ego as sort-of the gatekeeper between the conscious and unconscious allowing only certain things through that will not rock the boat too much. But what happens to everything else? It manifests as emotion that really might not seem connected to anything (but is, we just often cannot know what).

    This all seems very clear to me, this explanation. And ego isn't always the bad guy. Ego also, as I pointed out in an earlier post, keeps us human versus animalistic. IF we had no ego whatsoever and could live solely on the basis of raw emotion, responding to it, and being informed by it always, then we'd live like an animal. So it's like we do need ego to filter emotion and keep our human traits (like thinking and feeling) but ego must not become a blockade.
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    Emotions get the negative rep they do because they are composed of subjective, sub/unconscious goop. You don't deal with it directly, but it deals directly with you. Unless you possess the necessary jujitsu, it will be the carrot that manipulates your actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thursday View Post
    Emotions get the negative rep they do because they are composed of subjective, sub/unconscious goop. You don't deal with it directly, but it deals directly with you. Unless you possess the necessary jujitsu, it will be the carrot that manipulates your actions.
    I'd say that even then they manipulate your actions. Even if you control your entire being, there's a metaconscious feeling which results from that, and makes such an endeavor desirable to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    So you are saying kind of the opposite of what I was saying? That feelings/thoughts are deeper than ego and emotion is expression of ego?

    I'll have to ponder it. I think since feelings and thoughts are conscious-minded phenomena they are not of the unconscious. I see ego as sort-of the gatekeeper between the conscious and unconscious allowing only certain things through that will not rock the boat too much. But what happens to everything else? It manifests as emotion that really might not seem connected to anything (but is, we just often cannot know what).

    This all seems very clear to me, this explanation. And ego isn't always the bad guy. Ego also, as I pointed out in an earlier post, keeps us human versus animalistic. IF we had no ego whatsoever and could live solely on the basis of raw emotion, responding to it, and being informed by it always, then we'd live like an animal. So it's like we do need ego to filter emotion and keep our human traits (like thinking and feeling) but ego must not become a blockade.
    Ego isn't the bad guy, of course.

    It has a function. The purpose of being 'rid' of the ego though is not necessarily to kill it and be an animal, but to absorb it and be unified in consciousness.

    It's not much different then my dissociative disorder. If my internal parts cannot communicate, I'm not whole. If your ego cannot communicate with the rest of you, you're not whole. It leads to self illusions, for good or ill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    I wonder about the day when emotions no longer matter, when we are all but memories in the super highway of technology.
    Are you talking about the downloading and uploading of personalities in a post-singularity world?

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    They are stressful and scary sometimes because if they get out of control they can cause people to be destructive to one another. If excessive they can overtake a person's mind and cause irrational behavior based on untrue assumptions. In short they can cause craziness. But then again, out of control lack of emotion causes sociopathic behavior, another kind of craziness. So everything is "good" if in balance and used appropriately, and "bad" if imbalanced and used inapropriately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Ego isn't the bad guy, of course.

    It has a function. The purpose of being 'rid' of the ego though is not necessarily to kill it and be an animal, but to absorb it and be unified in consciousness.

    It's not much different then my dissociative disorder. If my internal parts cannot communicate, I'm not whole. If your ego cannot communicate with the rest of you, you're not whole. It leads to self illusions, for good or ill.
    I agree with you again, mostly.

    Since I see the ego as a gatekeeper between the conscious and unconscious, I think the ideal ego is one that is translucent and permeable. Ego is what makes us, us. Without ego, we'd function like animals, but I think having too much ego makes us a duality in ourselves, as you said. So the ideal ego is not one annihilated as I originally thought, but one open transparent--having our energy within it, but allowing everything to come and go between our conscious and unconscious as our being lives.

    Multiple personalities is just the forming of many ids, superegos, and egos within one psyche. The psyche is the same because it is the unconscious (which allows for co-consciousness and the core to exert its overall influence), and the soul is always the same as long as we are alive--that is the God part of us, but the different egos manifest as multiple personalities. Since these are also the most superficial, they can be 'healed', but perhaps the person also likes existing as multiples.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I agree with you again, mostly.

    Since I see the ego as a gatekeeper between the conscious and unconscious, I think the ideal ego is one that is translucent and permeable. Ego is what makes us, us. Without ego, we'd function like animals, but I think having too much ego makes us a duality in ourselves, as you said. So the ideal ego is not one annihilated as I originally thought, but one open transparent--having our energy within it, but allowing everything to come and go between our conscious and unconscious as our being lives.

    Multiple personalities is just the forming of many ids, superegos, and egos within one psyche. The psyche is the same because it is the unconscious (which allows for co-consciousness and the core to exert its overall influence), and the soul is always the same as long as we are alive--that is the God part of us, but the different egos manifest as multiple personalities. Since these are also the most superficial, they can be 'healed', but perhaps the person also likes existing as multiples.


    What do you think ?
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