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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Yeah.
    You don't see a little problem with your premises? Log/splinter in the eye and all that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    You don't see a little problem with your premises? Log/splinter in the eye and all that?

    I'm not following you. It's like I'm saying that I don't see any logs in others' eyes because I'm too busy looking at God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I'm not following you. It's like I'm saying that I don't see any logs in others' eyes because I'm too busy looking at God.
    You are still looking for and finding logs, though. How is calling people self-righteous hypocrites not a judgment?

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    I don't think it's possible to totally avoid judgment, and I think you've illustrated that nicely here and elsewhere on the forum by judging plenty yourself. Even if it were possible, I'm not sure why it would be preferable to just uncritically accept everything anyone ever does. I'm reminded of something one of my favorite people (a Buddhist, incidentally) once said: "Let's be open-minded, sure, but not so open-minded that our brains fall out."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivy View Post
    You are still looking for and finding logs, though. How is calling people self-righteous hypocrites not a judgment?
    Yeah, you are probably right.

    Difference is that they are rationalizing that it's okay to judge--saying that God says it's ok to judge!! I'm simply asserting I don't believe God is saying that at all. Judging is so much a part of our world, that one cannot expect to do away with it quickly or easily.

    And I'm not sure I agree with conditional judging. I'm still contemplating it all. But I'll probably post about it when I realize it.

    Thanks for your input.
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