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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    He wrote it that way, I'd imagine, because he wanted to point out that one can lust in one's own mind, not just with another person.

    When I didn't believe in God, I had another paradigm to live by. I just found it harder to navigate because it was more vague and I was more likely to err. So if you don't believe in God, how do you differentiate love and lust? I probably would have said something like Green Fairy says, to the effect that there is no love, only our sexual nature. And go with it. So yeah.
    Well to me love carries a positive and sustaining energy, with which one feels complete and aligned. I'd imagine this to be acceptable to God if there is one.

    Lust on the other hand is visceral, transient, and fickle. It's not just sex, because neither one is really sex only.

    To me love is like eating a proper meal that gives you wholesome energy, it's good for you in the long run and you ultimately feel better and live better, and lust is like living on chocolate cake. Sure it gives your brain a pleasure reward for the time being but ultimately you suffer if you get carried away in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    How do you feel about sex before marriage?
    It feels good. I particularly enjoy when I am with a partner who I can bond with. It is rare though. I'm not sure I could marry someone without that connection. Could you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    When I didn't believe in God, I had another paradigm to live by. I just found it harder to navigate because it was more vague and I was more likely to err.
    Whoa. This makes a lot of sense and is succinct. Nice.
    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Does pornography glorify God?
    That's a good way to reframe the question.

    In some of the cases I listed, it pretty clearly doesn't; in others, it's not so clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Well to me love carries a positive and sustaining energy, with which one feels complete and aligned. I'd imagine this to be acceptable to God if there is one.

    Lust on the other hand is visceral, transient, and fickle. It's not just sex, because neither one is really sex only.

    To me love is like eating a proper meal that gives you wholesome energy, it's good for you in the long run and you ultimately feel better and live better, and lust is like living on chocolate cake. Sure it gives your brain a pleasure reward for the time being but ultimately you suffer if you get carried away in it.
    So, you can partake in moderation then? That is your qualifier?

    I find that even just a little bit of evil puts me on a slippery slope that has deposited me into the armpit of the antichrist on occasion. I cannot dabble, nor do I want to. The answer for me is simply to love, which is my nature anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    It feels good. I particularly enjoy when I am with a partner who I can bond with. It is rare though. I'm not sure I could marry someone without that connection. Could you?
    Love is the most important connection for me. The rest would depend upon my partner.

    Quote Originally Posted by bologna View Post
    Whoa. This makes a lot of sense and is succinct. Nice.

    That's a good way to reframe the question.

    In some of the cases I listed, it pretty clearly doesn't; in others, it's not so clear.
    I'd have a hard time thinking pornography for the act of getting off is glorifying God. :ponders:

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    So, you can partake in moderation then? That is your qualifier?

    I find that even just a little bit of evil puts me on a slippery slope that has deposited me into the armpit of the antichrist on occasion. I cannot dabble, nor do I want to. The answer for me is simply to love, which is my nature anyway.
    It's not a qualifier or justification. Frankly I'd prefer to never eat cake, literally or figuratively.

    I was explaining how I tell the difference, which I find to be more meaningful than some arbitrary "because I said so!" rules.

    I'm not going to take incomprehensible things on authority alone if I do not feel an understanding for them. To me, that in itself would be immoral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    It's not a qualifier or justification. Frankly I'd prefer to never eat cake, literally or figuratively.
    Are you being defensive? Data thinks he hears a note of irritation in your response, but cannot be sure. Because it makes sense to do things in moderation. I just have come to the belief that one shouldn't always do everything in moderation.

    I was explaining how I tell the difference, which I find to be more meaningful than some arbitrary "because I said so!" rules.

    I'm not going to take incomprehensible things on authority alone if I do not feel an understanding for them. To me, that in itself would be immoral.
    Yes, I understand that. Agreed. It took me a long time to admit I was a monotheist, and then another long time to convert back to Christianity. I had to believe it.
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    What is the difference between sexual morality and sexual ethics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Are you being defensive? Data thinks he hears a note of irritation in your response, but cannot be sure. Because it makes sense to do things in moderation. I just have come to the belief that one shouldn't always do everything in moderation.
    Well one thing I learned when I was a Christian is that none are righteous.

    Moderation is not the moral way, it's the necessary way because nobody is capable of doing otherwise.

    In other words, I was not justifying excess but rather saying that you are going to err, and that you should not be oblivious to it but rather err in the more wholesome direction if at all possible.

    I'm not really being defensive either, I just have a thing with being misunderstood.

    Edit: this also goes along with the concept that sin is sin and everyone is dead straight guaranteed to have messed up somewhere, somehow.

    Somebody might be pristine in the relationships department but messing up somewhere else and it pretty much equates to the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post

    Love is the most important connection for me. The rest would depend upon my partner.
    yeah, i hear you. for me an important part of that is knowing how we connect physically. this might sound weird, but i remember reading a thing in socionics about nfs being able to "love at a distance" and they and their duals being drawn to this while SFs and their duals need that connection more /random. i relate more to the second thing, but perhaps that's just because I've tried things the other way. this goes back to what i said to the infj with the ldr in the other thread about pheremones.
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