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    There aren't that many threads on this forum these days that actually get me to stop and read the whole thing, but this one did. Good job on making this interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Precisely. Gambling feeds a whole host of other activities and becomes a hub for things that distance yourself from God.. Even if you don't have an addiction to gambling and are capable of playing for the fun of playing, the activity is all about greed.. which is a cardinal sin. If sins were people, they'd frequent casinos. Classy example: Sin City is the nickname for Las Vegas, the city with more casinos than anywhere in the US.

    And pornography is a staple of Lust. You're enjoying, and entertaining the idea of, sex with anyone but your spouse. The general degradation of women and men in the industry is bad enough (whether they feel they're being degraded or not... most people would NOT sell their bodies for movie-making money.. which is enough to elude to it being sinful and shameful) but you completely take your lusts and throw them at random strangers, even if those strangers are on a picture.. You're completely okay with someone's daughter being used and filmed.. and I'll bet any man here would not want that to happen to their daughters..
    I think this is an excellent post. I might not completely agree with the gambling part. I see nothing wrong with buying a lottery ticket from time to time. I never have, but mostly because it isn't convenient for me. However, I think I probably agree with everything you said about the negative effects of porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _eric_ View Post
    Props to everyone for being so polite here, making a thread like this on most any other forum (including other typology ones) would incite all sorts of people to attack you and expound upon how much of a 'brainless hick' you are, since they are defending their view of promiscuity as being 'freedom' and cannot/will not conceive of how anyone could ever possibly think otherwise. You don't have to throw logic out the window to think it is wrong; too many people think that logic and Christianity are mutually exclusive.
    Thank you. And too many people think that Christianity needs to be prude and boring as well. I'm a Christian and I don't think I'm prude or boring.

    Anyways, if you want to understand the Mosaic law and its purpose better, read this, though it is pretty long.

    http://bible.org/article/mosaic-law-...-new-testament

    Here are two sections I think are especially relevant to some of the recent questions here:
    THANK YOU SO MUCH!! This is just what I've been searching for. I might even copy down that first part into my prayer journal. I had a little bit of issue with the second part, however. The part about comparing us to Canada, for one. Jesus is God and so following God's commands whether Jesus comes or not is not the same as moving to a different nation with different sovereignty.

    I like that Jesus came to fulfill the law for us. And I like knowing that God gave those 613 laws to Israel to stay pure and cohesive, and that they cannot be reproduced outside Israeli tribes of Jews. But I also see somewhat of a shirking and vagueness about saying:

    3. Against such, i.e., the fruit of the Spirit, there is no law because the believer is then operating under the highest law, the standards are met as we walk by the Holy Spirit and grow in the Word (Gal. 5:22).
    Unless you are very committed and walking with God, in which case you are probably following at least the commandments, I find it essentially impossible for a believer to have no law, and just to be under 'the grace of God.' People need a framework because we live in fleshly bodies in sinful world ruled by the prince of the air (satan). Heck, to do good works and keep agape love active in your life, you even need to read the scriptures everyday, or contemplate/meditate upon God daily. I don't see the average person being able to do this without having law to follow. It might not be necessary for a few healthy cognizant individuals who have been raised in a Godly and loving home, but for most of us, we need something more to lean on to do well and grow and bear tasty fruit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    There aren't that many threads on this forum these days that actually get me to stop and read the whole thing, but this one did. Good job on making this interesting.
    Thank you! So glad you likey.


    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Precisely. Gambling feeds a whole host of other activities and becomes a hub for things that distance yourself from God.. Even if you don't have an addiction to gambling and are capable of playing for the fun of playing, the activity is all about greed.. which is a cardinal sin. If sins were people, they'd frequent casinos. Classy example: Sin City is the nickname for Las Vegas, the city with more casinos than anywhere in the US.

    And pornography is a staple of Lust. You're enjoying, and entertaining the idea of, sex with anyone but your spouse. The general degradation of women and men in the industry is bad enough (whether they feel they're being degraded or not... most people would NOT sell their bodies for movie-making money.. which is enough to elude to it being sinful and shameful) but you completely take your lusts and throw them at random strangers, even if those strangers are on a picture.. You're completely okay with someone's daughter being used and filmed.. and I'll bet any man here would not want that to happen to their daughters..

    Great post on porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorenx7 View Post
    I think this is an excellent post. I might not completely agree with the gambling part. I see nothing wrong with buying a lottery ticket from time to time. I never have, but mostly because it isn't convenient for me. However, I think I probably agree with everything you said about the negative effects of porn.
    The whole thing feeds into greed, but we still have greed in our hearts.. we just temper it as best we can. For some, a lottery ticket quenches the thirst for greed while being relatively harmless. We aren't without sin, so we as humans sort of pick and choose the sins we're okay with committing and those we are not. That money could be better spent elsewhere, but instead it is going towards potentially winning a lot of money for yourself. I think the line between gambling and fun is when it involves yourself vs others. Ideally, you're self-sustaining already when helping others, so excess can be easily manifested as greed.

    Like I, for example, acknowledged all of those horrid aspects of pornography.. yet, I've partaken in it before, and will continue to do so. In my head, I alone will not stop the machine of the industry, nor will I see it stopped in my lifetime, so I'd rather pick and choose my battles elsewhere.

    But then again, this is Christian based philosophy coming from a non-Christian, so take what I say with a grain of salt. @Peguy is way better equipped for these topics.
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    And now to confuse things a bit more:

    From wiki:

    The seven deadly sins, also known as the capital vices or cardinal sins, is a classification of objectionable vices (part of Christian ethics) that have been used since early Christian times to educate and instruct Christians concerning fallen humanity's tendency to sin. The currently recognized version of the sins are usually given as wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony.

    In the Book of Proverbs (Mishlai), among the verses traditionally associated with King Solomon, it states that the Lord specifically regards "six things the Lord hateth, and the seventh His soul detesteth." namely:[4]
    A proud look.
    A lying tongue.
    Hands that shed innocent blood.
    A heart that devises wicked plots.
    Feet that are swift to run into mischief.
    A deceitful witness that uttereth lies.
    Him that soweth discord among brethren.

    While there are seven of them, this list is considerably different from the traditional one, with only pride clearly being in both lists.
    Another list, given this time by the Epistle to the Galatians (Galatians 5:19-21), includes more of the traditional seven sins, although the list is substantially longer: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, "and such like".[5] Since Saint Paul goes on to say that the persons who commit these sins "shall not inherit the Kingdom of God", they are usually listed as (possible) mortal sins rather than Capital Vices.
    So it appears that the traditional "7 deadly sins as we know them" are more Catholic, and not necessarily biblical.

    Geez. It seems Catholics follow more of their own made-up doctrine than that in the bible. No wonder Catholics and Anglicans don't use the bible very much during church services.
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    Gambling is not necessarily a sin, unless it's done in excess and or causes scandal(ie leads you into committing sin). If it was a sin altogether, then how on earth can churches hold bingo nights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    The whole thing feeds into greed, but we still have greed in our hearts.. we just temper it as best we can. For some, a lottery ticket quenches the thirst for greed while being relatively harmless. We aren't without sin, so we as humans sort of pick and choose the sins we're okay with committing and those we are not. That money could be better spent elsewhere, but instead it is going towards potentially winning a lot of money for yourself. I think the line between gambling and fun is when it involves yourself vs others. Ideally, you're self-sustaining already when helping others, so excess can be easily manifested as greed.

    Like I, for example, acknowledged all of those horrid aspects of pornography.. yet, I've partaken in it before, and will continue to do so. In my head, I alone will not stop the machine of the industry, nor will I see it stopped in my lifetime, so I'd rather pick and choose my battles elsewhere.

    But then again, this is Christian based philosophy coming from a non-Christian, so take what I say with a grain of salt. @Peguy is way better equipped for these topics.
    It's like reading Arthur Schopenhauer. Although he was an atheist, sometimes there is more to learn from him about Christianity than from Christians writing about ethics. I'm a Christian and he may even be my favorite author, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Geez. It seems Catholics follow more of their own made-up doctrine than that in the bible. No wonder Catholics and Anglicans don't use the bible very much during church services.
    I guess you're right, we don't use the Bible too much. Except for the Epistle readings, the Gospel reading, the Lord's Prayer, the Eucharist, the last gospel; but yeah other than that, we don't use the Bible at all.

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    ^Yeh, yeh. I know. But it's not quoted as heavily as in *what's the word for 'other' churches*?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    ^Yeh, yeh. I know. But it's not quoted as heavily as in *what's the word for 'other' churches*?
    Such as? I attend Protestant services, and while there is greater focus on the sermon as opposed to the Eucharist, I don't see a significant difference between the amount of scripture cited, except Lutherans include an Old Testament reading alongside the Epistle and Gospel readings.

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