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    You know, the interesting thing about the 10 Commandments is that God gave them to Israel. God didn't address the whole world with them - just Israel.

    Also interestingly, in Deut. 7, just after these commandments were given, it says:
    1 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you—
    2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
    3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons,
    4 for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you.
    5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire.
    6 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

    In addition to that, in Joshua after Moses has died, Joshua takes these commandments with him while pretty much going on a killing spree just because God promised these lands to them.

    This is after the 10 commandments were issued.

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    Alright, I have a question.

    How do you think Christians are doing in debunking some of the cultural stigmas that are typically associated with them in regards to sex? How are they encouraging healthy sex lives within marriages, educating youth on the topic, and helping those who are nervous on the issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    1. God says that being gay is a sin, but why is it a sin? Being gay hurts no one? It just means that you are attracted to people of the same gender. It shouldn't be considered a sin. That's just dumb.

    2. Why is sex before marriage a sin? Don't you have to get a feel for what you like before you marry a girl? You have to test drive a car before you buy it, come on?

    3. Why could God slaughter so many people in the first testament but yet at the same time call murder a sin? That's hipocritical.

    4. Why is gambling a sin? Many SJ Baptist preachers were once business owners and were in sales. Sales in a gamble: driving in my car to get to work is a gamble because I don't know if I will get in a car crash and die. Spending money is a gamble because my bank account could get robbed by some identity thief. Everything is a gamble so why is gambling wrong? That's just stupid.

    5. Why is looking at pornography a sin? Who is it hurting? We were all born naked anyhow so why is it a sin to look at naked women?

    6. Why am I supposed to take all these rules at face value and follow them blindly if they make no logical sense to me? It's just dumb.
    This post is a bit base and unfair. This thread is for discussion, not attacks. She isn't trying to convince you of anything, just offering her piece of knowledge.. And there's something to learn from everyone.

    There was a very in depth conversation on this topic in another thread some time ago, so this isn't really the place for the gay vs Bible talk.

    As for pre-marital sex, even without Christianity it may still be a very good idea to practice this. There are several very practical and logical reasons for this rule of thumb, even for atheists. It is responsible (no one is going to be getting pregnant by practice abstinence minus that one incident a while back), shows discipline and honor, and puts emphasis on the other aspects of the relationship.. the ones that make the relationship last during a marriage. In essence, your 'test drive' is being ruined by emotional and physical aspects being acted upon. Sex is like driving--you don't really have to be a race car driver to do it, and you can get at least good enough to do what you need to do with practice. If logic was your goal for rules, this one makes more sense than anything else.

    As far as murder... We don't really consider ourselves murderers when we swat a mosquito biting on our arm. I don't think Christians really compare themselves to being on the same level as God.. since they sort of, ya know, worship him.

    Your explanations you're applying to all of these points is rather crass and they're not really logical at all.. I mean, if you cannot look at pornography and NOT see at least a hint of the industry hurting and debasing sex, women, and men alike then I really don't know what else to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    You don't believe in the 10 Commandments?

    What doesn't make sense to you about them.
    What is still special about the 10 Commandments? The Law Covenant is obsolete for Christians, is it not? My understanding is that Christ did away with the Law.

    Edit: There are some good posts in here. The debasing of sex. I wonder if there's such a thing as lustful loving?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    So what is your question?



    I ask because that has proven to be the best barometer for me to know if one is walking with God or is ready for God to come into his life. I only felt 'content' when I accepted Christ. And other Christians describe the same feeling. Ironically, I do not currently feel 'happy' yet I feel content. Before I knew God and Christ I felt happy but not content.

    I think contentment is a more desired state of living in. And what I believe Buddhists and other religions try to accomplish as well. I'm actually experiencing that right now.

    I haven't seen this posted and think it's applicable:

    "But godliness with contentment is great gain."

    1 Timothy 6:6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Yes actually it is.
    Oh, educate us, por favor?

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    When's the audition?
    Mmmm. I will work on that and get back to you. How badly do you want to be my slave?

    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    You know, the interesting thing about the 10 Commandments is that God gave them to Israel. God didn't address the whole world with them - just Israel.
    I thought that Isreal can be construed to mean us, because Israel was the nation that believed in the One God.

    Also interestingly, in Deut. 7, just after these commandments were given, it says:
    1 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations—the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you—
    2 and when the Lord your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
    3 Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons,
    4 for they will turn your children away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord’s anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you.
    5 This is what you are to do to them: Break down their altars, smash their sacred stones, cut down their Asherah poles and burn their idols in the fire.
    6 For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

    In addition to that, in Joshua after Moses has died, Joshua takes these commandments with him while pretty much going on a killing spree just because God promised these lands to them.

    This is after the 10 commandments were issued.
    We cannot understand the workings of God. I'm new to the bible, so I cannot really comment. I think the 10 Commandments are good enough for me, and the word of God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redbone View Post
    What is still special about the 10 Commandments? The Law Covenant is obsolete for Christians, is it not? My understanding is that Christ did away with the Law.
    As far as I have learned, Jesus summed up the 10 Commandments into the Two that I believe I posted in the OP.?

    What is hard for me is that there are 613 laws or rules to follow in the OT, which is what the hardcore Jews follow? I am unclear as to where those all came from. If anyone knows, please respond. And why shouldn't we follow all of those. And how do those Christians that literally interpret the bible just ignore all those OT laws? Is it because Jesus said that about the Two?

    Edit: There are some good posts in here. The debasing of sex. I wonder if there's such a thing as lustful loving?
    Yes. I think there is.

    No srsly, that would mean the love is impure.

    Quote Originally Posted by sorenx7 View Post
    I haven't seen this posted and think it's applicable:

    "But godliness with contentment is great gain."

    1 Timothy 6:6

    Mmm. Yeah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Alright, I have a question.

    How do you think Christians are doing in debunking some of the cultural stigmas that are typically associated with them in regards to sex? How are they encouraging healthy sex lives within marriages, educating youth on the topic, and helping those who are nervous on the issue?

    I'd say mainly by sending out Mormon girls to pedal sex toys at house parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
    There are others then, hm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Oh, educate us, por favor?
    I guess this suffices as an introduction:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio...y#Christianity

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    quick question: isn't having a sex slave immoral in and of itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    How badly do you want to be my slave?
    I'll give you one night free then you decide to hire or fire

    Send me a pic first though.

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