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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudo View Post
    Are the examples of feminine logic two version of feminine logic? Or are they each supposed to be contradictions.
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    This is close to the question I was going to ask.

    Did you phrase feminine logic in the way that you did to show both its non-universality, as well as its potential to usurp propositions that are universal? Otherwise I'm not following...
    It's hard to follow. When I first heard Zizek explain it I didn't udnerstand at all, so I read a lot on it, because it bothered me.

    It is just one logic. Both masculine and feminine logic are self-contradictory, because existence can never be fully explained. That which is outside of our "symbolic order" i.e. which we cannot verbalize, is "The Real".

    The self-contradiction of masculine logic is precisely that it is universal, so something must be excluded. i.e. "All swans are white. Those which are not white, are aberrations, not true swans".

    The self-contradiction of feminine logic is precisely the opposite, "Not all swans are white. But no swans are not white". i.e., "I don't accept a universalizing claim, but I cannot find anything outside the existing universal order"

    That example is very simple for the sake of clarity. To give a better example

    Masc logic: "Humans are inherently capitalist. All societies which were not capitalist were deformed, aberations against human nature". Universality with one exception.

    Fem logic: "Not all humans are inherently capitalist. There are no societies which override the capitalist order". i.e., "We cannot make universal claims. Precisely because of this, there is no alternate universe except for this one".

    I like this because, there is an "universal function", which nobody truly lives up to, but which nobody lives outside of.

    Another good example Zizek gives is "The Undead", from horror movies. i.e. "If you are not Alive, you are Dead. But if you are not Dead, you are not necessarily Alive. You can be Not-Dead. Or the Undead. To "The Living", they are still part of The Dead. They are just The Dead which refuses to fully die. The walking representation of Death.

    So masculine logic would say "Everyone who is not Alive, is Dead. Except for the Undead, who are an aberration".

    Feminine logic would say, "Not everyone who is Not Alive is Dead, but there is no-one who is Not Alive, who is Not Dead." i.e., no alternative universal vision of life vs death is proposed.

    We instead get this tension, a strata caught in the middle, the Undead, who contradict the the existing universality of Alive vs Dead, but who still exist inside of it, and paradoxically, accept that same universality in practice.

    I hope that makes sense! I am not saying it's "true" but it's interesting (to me).

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    meaning i'm calling your bluff. or did you get that.

    No bluff, I would do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    It's hard to follow. When I first heard Zizek explain it I didn't udnerstand at all, so I read a lot on it, because it bothered me.

    It is just one logic. Both masculine and feminine logic are self-contradictory, because existence can never be fully explained. That which is outside of our "symbolic order" i.e. which we cannot verbalize, is "The Real".

    The self-contradiction of masculine logic is precisely that it is universal, so something must be excluded. i.e. "All swans are white. Those which are not white, are aberrations, not true swans".

    The self-contradiction of feminine logic is precisely the opposite, "Not all swans are white. But no swans are not white". i.e., "I don't accept a universalizing claim, but I cannot find anything outside the existing universal order"

    That example is very simple for the sake of clarity. To give a better example

    Masc logic: "Humans are inherently capitalist. All societies which were not capitalist were deformed, aberations against human nature". Universality with one exception.

    Fem logic: "Not all humans are inherently capitalist. There are no societies which override the capitalist order". i.e., "We cannot make universal claims. Precisely because of this, there is no alternate universe except for this one".

    I like this because, there is an "universal function", which nobody truly lives up to, but which nobody lives outside of.

    Another good example Zizek gives is "The Undead", from horror movies. i.e. "If you are not Alive, you are Dead. But if you are not Dead, you are not necessarily Alive. You can be Not-Dead. Or the Undead. To "The Living", they are still part of The Dead. They are just The Dead which refuses to fully die. The walking representation of Death.

    So masculine logic would say "Everyone who is not Alive, is Dead. Except for the Undead, who are an aberration".

    Feminine logic would say, "Not everyone who is Not Alive is Dead, but there is no-one who is Not Alive, who is Not Dead." i.e., no alternative universal vision of life vs death is proposed.

    We instead get this tension, a strata caught in the middle, the Undead, who contradict the the existing universality of Alive vs Dead, but who still exist inside of it, and paradoxically, accept that same universality in practice.

    I hope that makes sense! I am not saying it's "true" but it's interesting (to me).




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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    You said you would, but you didn't. So you lied.
    I didn't "Not Do It". I just didn't "Do It" yet. It's different.

    /feminine logic.

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    I understand what it is getting at. Seems like men are deductive, women are inductive, etc.


    I think the flaw of expression comes in at the forced duality between men and women. The women's theorized POV makes no sense from casual observation, which perhaps is what he/you are getting at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    I didn't "Not Do It". I just didn't "Do It" yet. It's different.

    /feminine logic.
    I see. Well, I'll watch for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I see. Well, I'll watch for it.
    I sent it to you, but I can't guarantee it was the right number. I did my best.

    Is there a statue of limitations on a woman's prerogative for doing something she says she'll do, but not necessarily when it sounds like she should do it?
    Long words, didn't read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    I sent it to you, but I can't guarantee it was the right number. I did my best.



    Long words, didn't read.
    409-867-5309

    That's okay, I prefer only those with higher than an eighth grade education txt me anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    409-867-5309

    That's okay, I prefer only those with higher than an eighth grade education txt me anyway.
    Harsh...I'll try to find an illiterate girl instead then.

    /TypoC meta-reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Morto Che Parla View Post
    Harsh...I'll try to find an illiterate girl instead then.

    /TypoC meta-reference.
    Thank you for noticing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I'm flattered by the kind offer, but I have to pass...

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    Let her lash out and crack the whip but not in bed I don't play rough
    No I can't be tied down with a girl that wants me tied up

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