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    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    Remember Kruschev? That guy came to the U.N, banged a shoe on the podium saying "WE WILL BURY YOUUU!!!! WE'LL TAKE AMERICA WITHOUT A SHOT!!". COMMUNISM IS THE WAY OF THE FUTURE!!!"

    Yeah, the way of the future. Yea. Worked great didn't it.
    I can see the argument: X did not beat Y, therefore Y is invincible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I can see the argument: X did not beat Y, therefore Y is invincible!

    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

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    America is a duality. We are culturally authoritarian and believe in preemptive police action, from street level policing to capitol punishment and high-altitude bombing, yet we are creative in-so-far as this leads to faster, better outcomes of the authoritarian model.
    I was thinking the other day of a place like the Czech Republic. Their first president was a playwright and poet. This could never happen in the USA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I know, you have to compensate for having such a tiny history compared to the adult countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I know, you have to compensate for having such a tiny history compared to the adult countries.
    We are still very young, and our prior power left us rather heady...
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    I can see the argument: X did not beat Y, therefore Y is invincible!
    Interesting point.

    Is "invincible" a theoretical construct or a result of hard facts - "there is no-one in existence who can defeat us therefore we are in effect invincible even if not in theory"

    Does perfection imply a theoretical attempt to emulate arbitrary standards, or does it mean being the best in existence, which in practice means sacrificing a great many "attributes" in order to establish and maintain dominance in a hostile and dirty world.

    I don't like the way America and its junior partners intervene in other countries...but it can't be doubted they have established the most civilized model for humanity...a theoretically "better" West may be a weaker West in practice...and seemingly "rational" Eastern systems may be in practice perfectly irrational, because they do not take into account the "irrationality" of humans (which may in fact be based on "prisoner's dilemma" and the impossibility of obtaining complete information at any given time - all of which are the price of individual freedom).

    The Soviet Constitution was seemingly very enlightened in its promises, which guaranteed its people not only negative liberty, but "positive liberty"...in practice, the attempt resulted in slavery precisely because these things cannot be guaranteed.

    I realize I went on a tangent but your post got me thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    Why would you know what's going on here? And B.) Why would you give a damn? I wouldn't know what's going on in Australia/Laos/Mogadishu. And I don't care. We've got real things to think about.
    We share a Land Treaty with you. We share a Military Treaty with you. And we share an Economic Treaty with you. We have fought in every major conflict beside you in the last 100 years. We wrote your counter-insurgency handbook and our officers are permanently stationed in the Pentagon. And as well we have the very highest access to your Intelligence Service, on a daily basis.

    As I write you are pivotting your forces to Australia to counter China in the Pacific and Indian Oceans.

    However it is in our interests to maintain the peace between the USA and China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    There have been several attempts to subvert the U.S. Constitution and freedom. And we laugh at them! America laughs at them.
    It is not just the U.S. Constitution and freedom that is being subverted, it is literacy itself.

    And by logging on to Central every day, we are all suberting literacy.

    Literacy is not disappearing, rather it is being transformed. Literacy is being transformed from print to electonic print (eprint) which we see in front of us now.

    And while print gave us the literate, creative individual, eprint gives us the electronic tribe (etribe) in the global village. And the creative individual becomes the content of the etribe, just as you, you creative individual you, have become the content of Typology Central.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    The West, The United States for example, is the most creative country with more inventions than can be counted at once. It's a hotbed of creativity! The economy is bred on free-thinking new ideas. It is doubtful it's too 'left-brained'.
    I think the problem is i-it thinking being applied to interpersonal relationships not to technical problems.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craic View Post
    The West, The United States for example, is the most creative country with more inventions than can be counted at once. It's a hotbed of creativity! The economy is bred on free-thinking new ideas. It is doubtful it's too 'left-brained'.
    I think the problem is left brained thinking being applied to interpersonal relationships not the lack of right brained thinking being applied to technical problems.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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