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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Transcendence doesn't get rid of instincts - it integrates them.
    Interesting observation. How would integration occur?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tessertime View Post
    Interesting observation. How would integration occur?
    My take is that you'd become fully aware of them and understand them with perfect transparency and there would cease to be a split. They'd vanish because they really wouldn't be instincts anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    My take is that you'd become fully aware of them and understand them with perfect transparency and there would cease to be a split. They'd vanish because they really wouldn't be instincts anymore.
    That is something to ponder. I wonder though, if that would actually occur. If it did, would that be something akin to an ultimate goal of neuroplasticity: Overcoming one's humanity and ascending to a higher being? You could reasonably argue that if you understand that a wall is green, it is still green. It doesn't cease to be green. But human instincts are not only something you can control, to a degree, but on a molecular level, possibly something you can change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Transcendence doesn't get rid of instincts - it integrates them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tessertime View Post
    Relationships are, by and large, a tangible result of genetic coding with the need to breed and continue the survival of the species;
    I would question this line. Relationships are not about breeding. They are, however, about community. The traits that exist inside the relationship sphere have to do with cooperation as an evolved trait to support a group. Even if you define relationships only within a human sexuality sphere, it is worth noting that the humans cannot be readily separated from sexual selection; intelligence, social status and motivation all have roots in it.

    For example, paper publishing is largely motivated by social posturing, despite it being a fairly "intellectual" approach. Or put differently, the framework we work in does not define humanity, it only channels human urges.

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    Without instinct Tesla would never have been born. Without his denial of instinct he would've never caused such advancement. It is never "either".

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    Quote Originally Posted by momental View Post
    Without instinct Tesla would never have been born. Without his denial of instinct he would've never caused such advancement. It is never "either".
    Great example Momental! The evidence in favor of this follows:

    Our first endeavors are purely instinctive prompting of an imagination vivid and undisciplined. As we grow older reason asserts itself and we become more and more systematic and designing. But those early impulses, though not immediately productive, are of the greatest moment and may shape our very destinies.

    But instinct is something which transcends knowledge. We have, undoubtedly, certain finer fibers that enable us to perceive truths when logical deduction, or any other willful effort of the brain, is futile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tessertime View Post
    That is something to ponder. I wonder though, if that would actually occur. If it did, would that be something akin to an ultimate goal of neuroplasticity: Overcoming one's humanity and ascending to a higher being? You could reasonably argue that if you understand that a wall is green, it is still green. It doesn't cease to be green. But human instincts are not only something you can control, to a degree, but on a molecular level, possibly something you can change.
    In the case of a wall, it doesn't 'cease' to be green, but rather green stops being a 'thing' since what your eyes see is a representation of the light spectrum. Your eyes might still see the green but you recognize that nothing is truly absolutely green to all eyes.

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