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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    uh, self worship?
    Well, given that herenow probably thinks his self exists, he'd probably find it less illogical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meshou View Post
    There's not much worship in LeVey Satanism. It's bascially Nietzsche, individualism, and some superficial Jung thrown in for obnoxious-points.

    I do see a clear parallel between LaVey's Satanism and Nietzsche Ethical Egoism. (Will worship).

    Though could you point out where LaVey was influenced by Jung?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Though could you point out where LaVey was influenced by Jung?
    Using Satan as an archetype for personal growth seems pretty Jungian to me, although again, that was mostly for show.

    #1 reccomended reading by the Church of Satan, (I assume behind LeVey's works):

    Man and his Symbols, by Jung.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meshou View Post
    Using Satan as an archetype for personal growth seems pretty Jungian to me, although again, that was mostly for show.

    #1 reccomended reading by the Church of Satan, (I assume behind LeVey's works):

    Man and his Symbols, by Jung.
    Cant we say the same for many Christian theologies that long pre-dated Jung, using Jesus as an archetype for personal growth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Cant we say the same for many Christian theologies that long pre-dated Jung, using Jesus as an archetype for personal growth?
    I'd say the agknowledgement that Satan is a personal archetype and not a historical figure is a pretty fundamental difference. Most LeVey Satanists would laugh at insistance on a real Satan or a real Christ as ignorant fairy tale stuff.

    Edit: Further, I'd imagine many Satanists reject the Messiah archetype as harmful. They'd view it as the embodyment of the human need to be rescued from the concequences of their actions, and further, as the need to be rescued from their own impulses. Lack of personal mastery of your own impulses, to the point one needs rescue from them, is pretty much the CoS version of "evil."

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshou View Post
    I'd say the agknowledgement that Satan is a personal archiatype and not a historical figure is a pretty fundamental difference. Most LeVey Satanists would laugh at insistance on a real Satan or a real Christ as ignorant fairy tale stuff.
    Seems like you were right on the mark there. Though I do believe, that even for Christianity, a literal Christ is also unacceptable, and His role as the Lord and Savior must be interpreted allegorically.
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    Nn, you might be right for some very liberal Christians, but not for the vast majority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Seems like you were right on the mark there. Though I do believe, that even for Christianity, a literal Christ is also unacceptable, and His role as the Lord and Savior must be interpreted allegorically.
    Hmmm? I think I shall agree with Meshou on this one. Even those who doubt the "literalness" of some of the books like Genesis usually don't think Jesus was just allegory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    You must have a very narrow definition of worship. Although I kind of doubt you had any definition at all when writing that post, since your logic assessment is so half-assed and just plain WRONG given religious premises.

    Booyalab: Being pretentious is a skill you use well if for no other reason than to appear intellectual. Considering your own posts and logic, the two are so far apart as to be practically non-existent.

    Define for me, in your own words, how worship of a non entity is logical. Take your time. You'll need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hereandnow View Post
    Define for me, in your own words, how worship of a non entity is logical.
    heh!


    I... suppose. Yeah!

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