Like MacGuffin, I really have no issues with the philosophy itself, but it does sometimes seem like a "you got a problem with that?" thing.
Thread: Caution: Satanist
05-21-2007, 07:22 PM #11
05-21-2007, 07:24 PM #12
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05-21-2007, 07:35 PM #13
I will agree it does seem childish, but I suppose I feel different towards it after reading interviews and biographies on LaVey. He had his reasons to hate a despise christianity and its followers as a whole. But that is also why this philosophy has such a low following cause so many people get mixed up on the whole name thing. Not enough people know the whys or hows of the philosophy, they just know that some bald guy hated christians.
But then again feelings such as hate, revenge, and contempt are celebrated as some of the highest forms of individualism in the philosophy. Another thing that many people feel is childish or prudent but if your going to worship/follow instincts over morality or ethics then you have to be prepared to take the bad and ugly allong with the good.SDMF
05-21-2007, 07:41 PM #14
Other than that, I pretty much agree with LaVey's Satanic Rules and what he considers to be sins, except I find him a bit too ruthless for my tastes and I think self-control is a virtue.
05-21-2007, 07:50 PM #15
Also, the creation of religious structures is a natural process in human socialization isn't it? If not, then where does it come from? If humans are animals, what is the process by which you choose which behaviors are instincts and which are not? Most animals form social structures that moderate behavior, right?
I have deep respect for natural processes, including how these relate to being human. It is important imo to take a wholistic view. Instincts are part of my make-up and therefore a consideration. Reasoning and moderating personal behavior for long-term benefits is also part of my make-up and functions in my frontal lobe. This too is part of my natural self.
05-21-2007, 08:11 PM #16
Hence, the "Satan" in Satanism. He did have his personal philosophy, but all the symbolism was more meant to get a reaction."Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"
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05-21-2007, 09:07 PM #17“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”
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05-21-2007, 10:16 PM #18
Satanism insists on 'letting the wolf out'...doing what your whim shall commands, thats basically tantamount to being a slave to your inner passions.
True freedom isnt only about being free from external sanctions, you also have to attain freedom from your inner self which is far more tyrannyous and imposing than any external entity could be."Do not argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." -- Mark Twain
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05-21-2007, 10:56 PM #19
One additional thought: A key difference in other animals vs. the human animal is the way in which the individual relates to time. Many carnivores can project their thinking into the immediate future, because that is necessary in order to devise hunting strategy. Most creatures project at least slightly into the future because it is necessary for movement, hunting, escaping, etc. The less ability the animal can project into time, the more necessary instincts are to ensure long-term survival. For example, squirrels bury acorns out of instinct since they cannot analyze that in certain months there will not be food available. The same is true of the migration of birds. Humans can project a way into the future and that is why we have the ability to temper our immediate desires in the context of longer term benefits.
An INTJ friend of mine was developing a theory that moral thinking can be to a great degree analyzed in terms of short-term vs. long-term thinking. Can't say if I know it to be true, but it is interesting in concept, and there are many examples to suggest a relationship.
05-22-2007, 06:12 PM #20
I also have not read LaVey, but I would agree with BW thatOriginally Posted by BlueWing
And I don't practice one of what I call the Religions of Renunciation . I don't come to this from a Christian perspective. Although I have no problem with most Christian, and admire some, I am a pagan.
Also, I would argue that All Satanism is a reaction, a defiace of Christianity. It is an offshoot from the Christian tree.Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
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