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    Quote Originally Posted by Craft View Post
    Forget Inferior Fe, your Si is effed up.
    Why?

    That would make me ENXX I guess.

    It is kind of effed up at times, but that's irrelevant.

    Edit: Cool. I'd like to be ENFP. Can I?
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    @greenfairy

    Well, I know you can resize images at this site...

    http://www.resizemypicture.com/?script_action=process

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    What do you think?

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    To what extent is spirituality compatible with science? What do you think of the quotation on the photo?
    I've never seen them as in conflict.

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    They're not in conflict. The people who are mindful of them quarrel.

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    For me, they are the same. Science is a subset of spirituality.

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    This is not for me.

    I suppose spirituality picks up where science stops?

    We have a limited grasp of the universe and it is unlikely we will ever come close to omnipotence. So there will always be questions, gaps to fill. If spirituality is a means to fill that gap, to me that is equal to blindsiding yourself. To me only two categories exist. Science and the currently unkown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    This is not for me.

    I suppose spirituality picks up where science stops?

    We have a limited grasp of the universe and it is unlikely we will ever come close to omnipotence. So there will always be questions, gaps to fill. If spirituality is a means to fill that gap, to me that is equal to blindsiding yourself. To me only two categories exist. Science and the currently unkown.
    This is certainly true from a rational perspective. But do you feel any sort of sense of spiritual joy when you know something beautiful about how the world works? Like looking at a picture of a nebula, or studying the golden spiral and the phi ratio, or thinking about biodiversity? The world is infinitely complex, and knowing truth about how everything works can be spiritual in my experience. I get high on life every day this way. That's my spirituality. But I can understand if you are not so easily moved, being the INTP poster boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    This is certainly true from a rational perspective. But do you feel any sort of sense of spiritual joy when you know something beautiful about how the world works? Like looking at a picture of a nebula, or studying the golden spiral and the phi ratio, or thinking about biodiversity? The world is infinitely complex, and knowing truth about how everything works can be spiritual in my experience. I get high on life every day this way. That's my spirituality. But I can understand if you are not so easily moved, being the INTP poster boy.
    Not in the same sense no.

    When I walk through nature, I see the trees growing, the paths forming, the insects swarming and enjoy the beauty of the entire eco-system as a whole. I don't look at an out of place flower and think "That is a beautiful flower.", instead I think "how wonderful that the seed that formed this flower managed to find it's way here.". Just the other day I found myself trekking the woods pondering in amazement about some of the plant and animal symbioses that are readily visible in the wild and the process of evolution that must have happened to reach that symbioses or how bacteria and virusses have adapted to their environment so intelligently that it simply amazes. (Ofcourse, it probably takes thousands, if not millions, of failed evolutionary steps before a life form adapts in such ways that baffles the mind, but the fact it happens is still baffling).

    I see beauty in patterns and systems.

    So no, it is not a spiritual thing at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Not in the same sense no.

    When I walk through nature, I see the trees growing, the paths forming, the insects swarming and enjoy the beauty of the entire eco-system as a whole. I don't look at an out of place flower and think "That is a beautiful flower.", instead I think "how wonderful that the seed that formed this flower managed to find it's way here.". Just the other day I found myself trekking the woods pondering in amazement about some of the plant and animal symbioses that are readily visible in the wild and the process of evolution that must have happened to reach that symbioses or how bacteria and virusses have adapted to their environment so intelligently that it simply amazes. (Ofcourse, it probably takes thousands, if not millions, of failed evolutionary steps before a life form adapts in such ways that baffles the mind, but the fact it happens is still baffling).

    I see beauty in patterns and systems.

    So no, it is not a spiritual thing at all.
    Interesting. I kind of see everything as patterns and systems, and that definitely adds to the beauty; but it wouldn't have to be the case for things to be beautiful to me. I wonder how common it is for INTPs to be spiritual. I would think if they were they would be attracted to Eastern religions. That was said on some description. (That's the case with me, so no big hypothetical contradiction there.)

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    Science is like a spotlight in the dark, it illuminates a portion of the universe. But, not everything can be illuminated science, there is no guarantee saying that all truths are uncoverable with scientific method.

    Spirituality is about your relationship to the world. There is overlap between science and spirituality, but there is no reason that they should be in conflict. And if there is, just fudge it one way or the other.

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