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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Do you think religion is dying and what day do you feel about it whether you think it is or isnt happening? What has lead you to reach this conclusion? Do you believe that were you live and your cultural backdrop are important in reaching this conclusion? Whether you believe it is dying or not do you think it is universally so or to do with demography and geography?
    Yup. It's surely dying a slow death.
    I think it's things like how a long time ago when people didn't understand what lightning was or where it came from they just guessed and said it was some guy in the sky that's throwing it on the earth. Now a days anyone who believed in that would be laughed at and considered silly. Mainly because we have a vast understanding of what lightning is, where it comes from, why it strikes the earth, etc..

    Religions saving grace would be lower education and higher dropout rates. The more someone knows about science and logic the sillier religion seems.

    well, currently I live in an area where roughly 95% [from a guess] believe in the bible and in god. And my upbringing was one as a mixed kid [who's family wasn't extra traditional about our heritage and culture or silly things like being "black and proud" ew....]. So, we weren't very cultural really. We were taught about cultures, but weren't really taught to embrace any said culture. We were, however raised to believe in the bible and went to church.

    But even then whenever a church seemed to do something shady we left. e.g. One preached about how women have to be submissive all the time to the man. And how we don't love god if we don't give money to the church. My parents basically say "No, fuck that." And left.

    Anyway, what's with all the demographic and cultural questions?

    Personally I think poor people are usually less educated than well off people and rich people.
    I also think the less one understands about science and logic the more likely they are to believe in imaginary beings like those heard of in religions.
    Though education doesn't determine ones overall intelligence it does give them knowledge about many things they'd never have the time or resources to figure out on their own, like logic and science.

    And since rich people have better access to education and knowledge they are less likely to believe in silly things like men throwing lightning bolts from the sky. While poor people are more likely to believe the imaginary stories since they are less likely to have been given knowledge about science and logic.


    Also, generally speaking minorities are more likely to be poor [for many reasons I don't feel like getting into. But in short: they get fucked]. So they're also the most likely to believe in religion.


    Personally. As time goes on it seems certain things become common knowledge that were at some point vast breakthroughs in science. So, eventually nearly all religion will be seen as something rather silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightyear View Post
    Read this book and then come back to this thread:

    http://www.amazon.com/God-Is-Back-Re...ds=god+is+back
    Heh. I wonder if that's meant to be a direct rebuttal to this book: http://www.amazon.com/God-Dead-Secul.../dp/0631232753

    Anyway, I think religion (at least in terms of measurable religiosity) is still in general decline in the West, due more to pop culture socialization than either modernity or rationalism. That's not really in contradiction with simultaneous growth in evangelicalism; the lifestyle-encompassing nature of that and similar religious movements offsets the secularizing influences of entertainment and mass media-its the lukewarm religious believers, the type who go to church on Sundays and pray before dinner but otherwise don't give religion much thought, that are most susceptible to secularization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Heh. I wonder if that's meant to be a direct rebuttal to this book: http://www.amazon.com/God-Dead-Secul.../dp/0631232753

    Anyway, I think religion (at least in terms of measurable religiosity) is still in general decline in the West, due more to pop culture socialization than either modernity or rationalism. That's not really in contradiction with simultaneous growth in evangelicalism; the lifestyle-encompassing nature of that and similar religious movements offsets the secularizing influences of entertainment and mass media-its the lukewarm religious believers, the type who go to church on Sundays and pray before dinner but otherwise don't give religion much thought, that are most susceptible to secularization.
    I agree but I dont think that evangelical movements are akin to religion as it has existed to date, especially the most pop or media orientated varieties and some of them are money spinning enterprises.

    There's been fundamental changes, I dont believe that the mind is wired as it once was and in some ways the idea that "God is dead" could be sociological observation and psychological analysis.

    The extent to which religion is the first and foremost guide to actions and encompasses the primary and priority moral compass has changed, I mean I dont believe that contemporaneous individuals would be less likely to commit crimes than anyone else.

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    No.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Religion has been on its deathbed ever since 1648 when the West adopted the idea of religion as being merely a facet of a society's culture, instead of being the central identity of that culture.
    For as long as that? Can you really call it a "deathbed" then?

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    Humans have religion. Animals don't. (Lets assume so, anyway).
    So, humans represent the birth of religion.
    If anything, religion is "growing up".
    This is a good thing.

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    In the sense of 'true believers' I think it may dwindle.

    In the sense of proclaimed adherents, I don't think it's going anywhere any time soon.

    Edit: Also what I think will happen though is it will probably be seen that Christianity is not THE religion but rather A religion among many.

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    It's just irrelevant.
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Religion has been on its deathbed ever since 1648 when the West adopted the idea of religion as being merely a facet of a society's culture, instead of being the central identity of that culture.
    Haha, number of anti-theists would disagree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    For as long as that? Can you really call it a "deathbed" then?
    364 out of 10,000 years of "modern" religion isn't all that long. Maybe convalescence is a better term.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    Haha, number of anti-theists would disagree with you.
    Antitheists have a tendency to hold somewhat absolutist positions, don't they?

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