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    Quote Originally Posted by lightsun View Post
    I have no belief if a higher ‘God.’ We are interconnected. So we are star children, and mayhap there is some small way to tap to the universal force. But it will be by our own choice, destiny and will not a God.
    What exactly is this supreme power or universal force you are reffering to and what exactly makes this force different than a personal God as like a personal God it sounds like it has a will of its own and that it could guide and direct our actions as well as obey our commands though the liberation sounds like it comes from within ourselves rather than from advanced intergalactic beings.

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    I am all for pleasure and comfort. There is enough in life that causes us pain and misery which we cannot change that it is better to do what we can to reduce unnecessary suffering. While it is true, a lot of times moderate suffering/discomfort results in greater comfort and pleasure in the long run (as you say @Lark, by ensuring functioning rather than entropy and disaster), it still goes back to reducing unnecessary suffering overall.

    Also, if you have an understanding of what you actually need to survive, you tend to have more happiness in the simple pleasures that life offers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Z Buck McFate View Post
    I don’t think we’re taught anywhere near enough how to simply cope with it, or just be with it without being overwhelmed by it, so we flee into instant gratuities to get rid of it for an immediate relief which only inevitably contribute to much bigger problems. The urge to ignore it or get rid of it with some kind of instant gratuity leads to addictions (not necessarily drugs- I’m talking about regular behaviors, like too much TV, food or reckless behavior to ‘escape’ unpleasant affect) or avoidant behavior- a lot of which is chosen unconsciously, like we just gravitate away from the discomfort. That aspect of avoiding suffering, imo, is not healthy. Nipping that habit in the bud- and learning to just ‘be with’ discomfort instead of unconsciously fleeing from it- is an important step to getting a lot of bigger things accomplished.
    I strongly agree with this entire line of thought. In a way, the problem is pretty basic -- we are entities trying to dodge the experience of pain (especially chronic pain), but in the process we end up not living / living fully, or even end up being damaged while trying to avoid pain/damage. And a lot of this response is as programmed as plants who grow toward light or animals that run from perceived immediate danger; we're not even really aware of what we're doing.

    I'm basically regurgitating Pema Chodron here.
    I hope he tasted better going down than coming up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I strongly agree with this entire line of thought. In a way, the problem is pretty basic -- we are entities trying to dodge the experience of pain (especially chronic pain), but in the process we end up not living / living fully, or even end up being damaged while trying to avoid pain/damage. And a lot of this response is as programmed as plants who grow toward light or animals that run from perceived immediate danger; we're not even really aware of what we're doing.
    Exactly. It’s kind of daunting, really, how much seeking comfort/analgesic in-the-moment can feel like the ‘right’ thing to do.
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