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    Hey people of typology central. Listen, I’ve been having some serious issues with questioning my religion, contemplating moral values, and really wondering what happens when I die. I was really wondering if you could give me some advice. I was raised in an extremely conservative Christian household and seemed to have really (unknowingly) taken on many of my parents religious beliefs and moral values.

    Now being a thinker, I don’t really listen to my parent’s religious babble much. However, apparently their religious babble has really gotten into my head over the past few years, and it’s really fucking me up mentally. For instance, I used to be in sales, and I used to have to constantly lie to people, and sometimes do less than honest things. Now to me, the lies I was telling weren’t wrong, but I certainly knew what “The Bible” would say about it. So then I would wonder things like, “Will God punish me for this?” Then, if so, how would he punish me? Then, I would contemplate all day how God would punish me for my “so called” sins. Many times I would actually wind up self-sabotaging myself mentally in a sales career I was naturally good at, because of misconstrued religious beliefs. Seriously, when I did things that I knew were Biblically wrong, I would often wind up selling way less than I would have normally. The reason being was that I would sit down and think to myself, “Well, I did this thing wrong, so maybe God will punish me this way, or this way, or maybe even this way.” Often times I would think that one of the ways that God would punish me is that he would cause me to sell less, and then I really would wind up selling less.

    Quickly, I came to a realization that the reason that I wasn’t selling as much wasn’t because, “God” was punishing me, but instead because I was self-sabotaging myself into thinking that God was punishing me. At that point, I started drinking alcohol and doing drugs in order to stop my mind from thinking that God would punish me for things, and to just quiet my mind in general. Surprisingly, this idea worked pretty well, and I actually started to sell a lot more because the self-questioning would stop and I was much more confident in myself on drugs. Sadly I started to become quite the addict, but I eventually weaned myself off of the booze and the pills. However, once again the self-questioning and religious sabotaging thoughts came back and my sales sucked again. Finally, in order to just free my mind, I just became a full-out atheist for a while. I just thought, “If I can just give up religion, then I will feel like I have total control of my life. I will in essence, have an entirely external locus of control. Then, at that point I can actually do my job and the self-questioning will stop.” Well, then that helped for a while, and I was actually selling great without drugs.

    However, then a new issue arrived and I started questioning if I had really made the right decision giving up my religion. I thought to myself, “Is this right? Is there really no God? Well, I had better be right because if I am wrong, I am going to go to hell.” Then, the concept of burning in hell terrified me, so I started to practice the religion again. But then later, I gave up the religion again, and was once again better. However, I then came to the realization that if there was no heaven and hell, that meant that I was just dead forever when I died, and that terrified me. So I then wondered if I should put a lot more effort into self-preservation, and preventing death in order to live the longest life possible. At this point I’m pretty much agnostic.

    Listen members of typology central, I really have no idea what to do and no idea what to believe. I am frightened in every possible way, no matter which way I turn when it comes to religion. Has anyone else on this forum had trouble sorting out religious beliefs and if so, how did you sort them out?

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    Hey Great One, its good to see you back , but anyway Hell or the Lake of Fire in my theological beliefs is not eternal torment and suffering but rather is the quick and instantaneous death of the spiritual body within a gigantic nuclear furnace aboard the space station of the super civilization of God and the only people who's existence ends in there are people who in the last days side with the devil and his antichrist so to avoid this for one thing when the government starts enforcing the Mark of the Beast aka the RFID chip please no matter what the circumstances please avoid getting this chip implanted into your finger or head or whatever at all costs as they will use these to track people and control them. Anyway that's the dark side of my theological beliefs. If you just took drugs or don't believe in God or whatever you should be fine as long as you do not deliberately fight against God.

    But there is too a good side to my theological beliefs. Those who side with Christ or at least do not side with the Devil when the end times arrive will recieve salvation and will live in the beautiful city of Heavenly Jerusalem aboard the space station of the super civilization of God. Heavenly Jerusalem is in the higher dimensions of the Universe in the negative matter at a spiritual level. According to the great scientist Sir Isaac Newton Jesus will return no sooner than 2060 though he may come later.

    Of course all of these beliefs of mine could be total BS but if they are not true or at least not completely true then our salvation will come from the liberating light of science as we venture beyond the sphere of mere terrestrial existence and into the stars of the heavens and eventually into the celestial realms of the Universe and ultimately the Multiverse.

    Regardless of all I wrote the bottom line is that you cannot understand the glories of the Universe without believing in a supreme power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    Hey Great One, its good to see you back , but anyway Hell or the Lake of Fire in my theological beliefs is not eternal torment and suffering but rather is the quick and instantaneous death of the spiritual body within a gigantic nuclear furnace aboard the space station of the super civilization of God and the only people who's existence ends in there are people who in the last days side with the devil and his antichrist so to avoid this for one thing when the government starts enforcing the Mark of the Beast aka the RFID chip please no matter what the circumstances please avoid getting this chip implanted into your finger or head or whatever at all costs as they will use these to track people and control them. Anyway that's the dark side of my theological beliefs. If you just took drugs or don't believe in God or whatever you should be fine as long as you do not deliberately fight against God.

    But there is too a good side to my theological beliefs. Those who side with Christ or at least do not side with the Devil when the end times arrive will recieve salvation and will live in the beautiful city of Heavenly Jerusalem aboard the space station of the super civilization of God. Heavenly Jerusalem is in the higher dimensions of the Universe in the negative matter at a spiritual level. According to the great scientist Sir Isaac Newton Jesus will return no sooner than 2060 though he may come later.

    Of course all of these beliefs of mine could be total BS but if they are not true or at least not completely true then our salvation will come from the liberating light of science as we venture beyond the sphere of mere terrestrial existence and into the stars of the heavens and eventually into the celestial realms of the Universe and ultimately the Multiverse.

    Regardless of all I wrote the bottom line is that you cannot understand the glories of the Universe without believing in a supreme power.
    No offense guy, but where on earth did you concoct this theory? It sounds like it was created in Pee Wee's Playhouse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    No offense guy, but where on earth did you concoct this theory? It sounds like it was created in Pee Wee's Playhouse.
    The theory is simple. It is based on the assumption that we are not alone in the Universe. God and his angels are aliens who are far older and more advanced than us and have monitored and controlled the progressive development of man ever since our very beginning from Lemuria to Atlantis to our current program of civilization.

    Of course I could be wrong though this is the best explanation I could think of connecting religion with science and creationsim with evolutionists.

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    I "came out" to my parents/family as being agnostic when I was 16, I believe it was. It was very hard both for them and myself, and at nearly 26 years old it is still hard. Not in that we have heated debates or anything like that, but it just takes its toll emotionally when you're close to your family yet your world view is so radically different and we just can't relate on a number of levels. It doesn't help when you tend to be a "family person" like myself. My whole immediate family is very Christian/spiritual. It is the crux of their existence. My mother runs a House of Prayer (kind of like a church yet less regimented and focused on prayer/intercession); my sister works alongside her and is a worship leader at a local church; my dad is a recording engineer in the worship music business; my brother a couple of years my junior is involved in a separate House of Prayer in another state, and my youngest brother who is 19 isn't real involved, but believes in God. That leaves me, being the only agnostic (leaning atheist).

    What I wrestle with most is my own frustration with the notion of God and the inconsistencies with what the Bible says about God's nature (he LOVES us... but he's also angry and vengeful), what my family and their friends want to translate as God's nature (He loves us unconditionally) and what I actually see in this world that is full of hate/sadness/pain (there is no god, and if there is, he doesn't care about us). I just can't reconcile man's behaviors and the inconsistencies of god's nature. Furthermore, using my own logic and reasoning, religion makes a lot of sense in a more primitive time; even though a lot of mysteries have been explained (weather, disease, mental illness, etc.) people still need hope, and that's the purpose that religion and an afterlife provide. Yet I still can't understand it... The more we discover and come to know about science, the more questions that arise. That's another reason I hate god if he exists: I'm a simple minded human. Don't expect me to understand this shit, and let my soul hang in the balance like it's a fucking game.

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    So all that to say, uhh, I basically have no advice but I can sympathize.

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    Yep, grew up in a Bible cult, left at 16 and put myself together again after years and years of thought and consideration. I'm not an atheist, but it really is a valid and sensible choice. Have you ever considered the fact that you felt guilty for lying because of God, yet an atheist would feel guilty being in that position as well?

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    I can sympathize. My lifelong exploration into religion and spirituality has led me to the point that I can't see any alternative to the Self (who I would say I am) being obliterated for eternity. To be honest, I just try to push those thoughts out of my head because I can't spend my whole life experiencing a fight or flight, trapped reaction. There's really nothing I can do about death, so might as well not think about it. My mind naturally explores that topic so it's hard to have the strength of mind to not go there. Because I have had this experience, I can certainly understand why others choose to have faith, because facing never-ending oblivion is a lot to ask. I am often envious of people who can truly waylay all that by having faith in an afterlife. I just can't.
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    I fought with myself over this in the past and ultimately had to ask myself a few questions:

    If I deserve hell, why should I be spared from it?
    Who am I to make a choice on it?
    Why should I be given a choice at all?

    I simply can't reconcile myself with being put on the spot that way. "Be a part of something or face condemnation" is just not something that my brain can compute out of thin air, no matter how it is framed up.

    It makes no sense to me. So I just say whatever's going to happen is going to happen.

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    I think it was moses who said not one of his company ever added days to his life by thinking (or fretting) about it, I dont know whether there is life after death, I'm more interested in whether or not there is life before death and in creating something resembling the order Jesus would describe as the world to come.

    The eternal fires of hell dont scare me as much as the idea of a continued existence which would be seperate from God for all eternity, I prefer the idea of oblivion to that. I was bothered about that for a time, maybe, although there are consolations to consider, Epicurius (spelling) said that sensations end when the body perishes, therefore no pain or suffering, the stoics considered a "good death" preferable to a long life of suffering or debilitating illness so I guess they believed the same thing as Epicurius on that score.

    Whether you are a believer in an afterlife or not and whether you are convinced of the existence of God and believe in God (not the same thing) are not the only reasons for professing or practicing a religion. I've seen two books on religion or defence of religion by atheists lately. I do believe Voltaire's idea that if God did not exist it would have been necessary to invent him.

    Robert Owen or Charles Fourier (not sure which) did say that truth and commerce go together like Jesus and Satan, so sales could be challenging if you have a compelling conscience, perhaps you could think about what any personal profit will be used for, Fourier advertised for sponsorship of his socialist intentional communities, Owen was a successful cotton mill owner and industrialist.

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