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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    Thanks guys for all the comments. My biggest problem is that my mind is going into super Ti mode, and investigating the hell out of what really happens when I die. It's not like this Fi-style, "I want to explore how I feel about religion thing", it's more of like a "I want to really investigate what really happens when I die thing, and what makes logical sense to me". This issue pesters me day and night. In fact, many times I'm terrified to even go outside and jog for fear of being hit by a car. I feel like if I died right now, it would end poorly no matter what: I would either die and go to hell for not keeping the faith, or I would just perish forever. For that matter, even when I'm taking a shower in the morning, and the water gets too hot, visions of burning in hellfire overload my mind. It gets so bad, I am even starting to have panic attacks about this.

    I'm wondering how to solve this problem. I mean, I guess I could go to a psychologist, but I'm not really sure if they could help me because it has to do with religious issues. Also, if I do decide to keep the religion, then I think that I should really re-investigate just who God really is. I think that there are two big ways to view God, the old testament ENTJ 8w7 God, and then the 2w1 INFJ God in the New testament. I view God more as the ENTJ vengful God, and I really think that this messes me up mentally.
    If that's all it is, take Pascal's wager.. chances are it won't sit with you well, and you'll want your 'Fi' style exploration anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    There is always Albert Einstein's INTP Cosmic God who is manifested throughout the harmony of the Cosmos and all of its radiant beauty who owes no justice to a God who punishes his subjects!
    What precisely is meant by that and whether it qualifies as a "God" in the sense that we generally use the word or merely the physical and scientific laws and nature of the universe is uncertain at best.
    Does he want a pillow for his head?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    What precisely is meant by that and whether it qualifies as a "God" in the sense that we generally use the word or merely the physical and scientific laws and nature of the universe is uncertain at best.
    “ You cannot understand the glories of the universe without believing there is some Supreme Power behind it.”
    ― Stephen Hawking

    Just like you said the true nature of God or this Supreme Power or whatever is and perhaps will ever remain an incalculable mystery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    Yeah, I really struggled with this and at about your age as well. My advice would be to take it slow. Try -not- to think of it actively and let your brain do the work in the background. Also, allow yourself a space for spiritual contemplation whether it be mediatation or even just listening to music without any lyrics. Often times, our brain encodes how we feel about very fundamental emotional concepts like God in symbols. So find a place to close your eyes and be calm and just let the symbols play with one another until they find a harmonious way of being with one another. I would also suggest to you that perhaps you can give up your belief in hell without giving up your belief in God. I believe @Lark is Catholic and does not believe in a literal hell (he may correct me if I am wrong). For myself, I am sort of an poly/pantheistic animist I guess. I think of God as the aggregate consciousness between the interaction of subatomic particles, fields, branes, etc while also questioning some of the basic tenets of physics/mathematics like proof by negation (which makes things quite weird indeed). I know that might not make a lot of sense, but it has been the only way I have found of grounding my thought in a more or less scientific worldview while still allowing my own inner consciousness to express itself freely in a way that is real for me. I wish you well and hope you may find the inner peace you seek.

    3 more suggestions:

    Stay away from "negative" beliefs. This CAN'T be true, this is FALSE, etc etc

    Stay away from beliefs that -require- yourself, God, or others to be "evil." Perhaps others are doing the best they can with the resources they have available to them.

    Play "let's pretend" and let yourself believe things that make you happy even if they contradict what makes most others happy. However, try to at the same time connect your beliefs to others in a way that makes both yourself and them happy. Best of luck.
    Hell is seperation from God and that's literal enough, people can give themselves or others hell if they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaptorWizard View Post
    “ You cannot understand the glories of the universe without believing there is some Supreme Power behind it.”
    ― Stephen Hawking
    Where does he say that?

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    My favorite part of this thread is that the OP specifically asked Raptorwizard for his thoughts and was then surprised at his response.



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    Hey @The Great One, I was also raised pretty religious and feel like you cannot *know* what happens when you die, if there is a God really, or anything else like that. And it's almost like the harder you try, the more lost you become. Seems to me time and experience are what bring you peace, and, in a way, answers. I would say to try to embrace and embody the principles you can agree with from your upbringing and try to let the rest slide. Be gentle with yourself. Live according to truth and goodness as you understand, seek to improve yourself, and to let go of the things that are holding you back.

    That is all that anyone (including any God that is in any way GOOD) can ask.

    I think as you let things go, that you will find peace and answers, in an indirect way. A lot of things seem to come that way, not by searching for them directly, but by holding it just beyond your focus and letting it happen.

    A friend/religious leader once described a yoga principle that kind of stuck with me, but I think it applies to faith, self-improvement, many things:

    Every pose is comprised of equal parts effort and surrender.

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    you really should watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtExkh6ZiNU
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
    — C.G. Jung

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    My favorite part of this thread is that the OP specifically asked Raptorwizard for his thoughts and was then surprised at his response.
    I didn't even read that, I'm one of those 'reply to the title' posters, sometimes, like this thread; time.

    and on that note, I'm still hung up about my religion not wanting to have me if I do this this that, well my church but, my church speaks for my religion.

    'My religion's losing me.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Where does he say that?
    I almost died laughing when I read this. Rep ^

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