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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    I've gone down this route before but I came to the conclusions that we exist in two realties. The objective natural world which can only be understood quantitatively (but can only be perceived through relative means) and the relative human world which is the fabrication of all of our senses and perceptions.

    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...47-post25.html


    You're working at interesting tangents and parallels to Kant.
    Madman's azure lie: a zen miasma ruled.

    Realize us, Madman!

    I razed a slum, Amen.

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    It's funny to watch excessively logical people trip over themselves.

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    oyy you should all read The Illustrated Man...

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    My head exploded. Twice.

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    How about we look at it this way, if you died tomorrow, there's be roughly 1,3 billion Chinese who wouldn't care. As far as they are concerned, you don't exist at all, but at least it also goes the other way around, assuming you don't know all those chinese, they might as well not exist. On the other hand, if the chinese were to pull a God and suddenly disappear in a poof of logic, we'd all be seriously screwed if all our "Made in China" products disappeared as well...

    Circular logic is fun, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheKei View Post
    How about we look at it this way, if you died tomorrow, there's be roughly 1,3 billion Chinese who wouldn't care. As far as they are concerned, you don't exist at all, but at least it also goes the other way around, assuming you don't know all those chinese, they might as well not exist. On the other hand, if the chinese were to pull a God and suddenly disappear in a poof of logic, we'd all be seriously screwed if all our "Made in China" products disappeared as well...

    Circular logic is fun, isn't it?
    The market would take over after a period of turmoil. We'd survive.
    Madman's azure lie: a zen miasma ruled.

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    I razed a slum, Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel De Mazarin View Post
    The market would take over after a period of turmoil. We'd survive.
    Ah yes, and then we'd have a giant landmass to put all the useless people and then force them to do our bidding, working in dirty sweatshops for minimum wages to produce all the thing necessary for our daily needs! No wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    We are one consciousness, continually segmenting and experiencing itself.
    Experience is the key word. These concepts are really 'proven' from an experiential perspective - thought loses the true essence. Your post reminded me of an excerpt a friend of mine just sent me from Stanislav Grof's Holotropic Mind. It seems like you might enjoy him. Excerpt follows:

    our consciousness seems to have the amazing capacity to directly access the earliest herstory of the universe -- witnessing dramatic sequences of the big bang, the formation of galaxies, the birth of the solar system and the early geophysical processes that occured on our planet billions of years ago. ( can you tell that this guy was the pre-eminent acid guru researcher for over 20 years.)

    the mind and consciousness might not be the exclusive privilege of humans, but they permeate all of nature, existing in the most elemental to the most complex forms. the universe and the human psyche have no boundaries or limits. each of us is connected with and is an expression of all of existence. our lives are shaped by ancestral, cultural, spiritual and cosmic influences far beyond the scope of what we can perceive with our physical senses.

    human experiences of plant consciousness cover a wide range-- from bacteria, plankton, orchids, sequoia trees. some people have experienced expanding into a consciousness that encompasses all life on our planet-- even inorganic matter.

    a possible explanation for the concept that individual consciousness continues beyond a lifetime is that the entity that incarnates is the entire field of human consciousness. this field includes all of human life, spread over the entire planet for all time. it assumes individual identities in order to explore and learn about itself. after a death, the unassimilated portions of that experince return to the oversoul, where they become building blocks for future incarnations.

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    I have proof that we are the same: I have thought this also!

    But, yeah, it's quite interesting to think about stuff like this. If I am showing me my life then there is no time, no death, no nothing really. I just change myself all the time and it creates the illusion of time around me. Or, maybe I have created my memories just now. Maybe I am totally motionless all the time. Or, maybe my life really has beginning and end but it is a shape in four dimensions and the "time" is only a 3D-scan from one end of the shape to another, a bit like when they scan your brain into 2D-layers... (which is something I might need now.. feel dizzy for all this thinking)

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