Woman and man's highest calling- Cherokee proverb

[Ginkgo]

They are the same thing.

The truth is real. Not all of reality is truth, though all of reality is true. Truth is the intellect conforming to the object.

 

[Pseudo]

Actually I just looked up truth in the dictionary. It essentially means conformity to reality. So it is an objective measurement. So you are right, but it could also be argued that since it is a measurement, if no being exists to measure it, it is irrelevant. It could also be argued that anything untrue is imagined- which does imply mental activity in a being. Correct? So if there were no beings, there would be no untruth, and so truth would be irrelevant.



There are all kinds of common language meanings of truth btw.

Not imagined just misprecieved.

It doesn't matter if there are a million common meanings only one idea of truth is correct.

 

[greenfairy]

What about this one?
4. (usually plural) a system of concepts purporting to represent some aspect of the world the truths of ancient religions

Note my edit that there are several definitions.

 

[greenfairy]

Not imagined just misprecieved.

It doesn't matter if there are a million common meanings only one idea of truth is correct.

Mispercieved. Which requires a being to perceive it.

 

[Pseudo]

Mispercieved. Which requires a being to perceive it.

All that means is that fallible beings are required for falsities to exist, not for truth to exist.

 

[Pseudo]

The truth is real. Not all of reality is truth, though all of reality is true. Truth is the intellect conforming to the object.

Yes, True. A good distinction.

 

[greenfairy]

All that mens is that fallible beings are required for falsities to exist, not for truth to exist.

Theoretically. But it is still irrelevant if beings do not exist.

 

[greenfairy]

Yes, True. A good distinction.

Truth is intellect conforming to the subject: that's essentially what I said.

Good quotation btw, [MENTION=8031]Ginkgo[/MENTION]. I'm going to save it.

 

[Pseudo]

What about this one?
4. (usually plural) a system of concepts purporting to represent some aspect of the world the truths of ancient religions

Note my edit that there are several definitions.

What about it? It is defining truth as answers to questions. Not as multiple impressionistic answers to questions that can't be solved.

 

[Pseudo]

Theoretically. But it is still irrelevant if beings do not exist.

Only if you think beings are the definers of value. Why does the universe lose importance if it loses us?

 

[Ginkgo]

Truth is intellect conforming to the subject: that's essentially what I said.

Good quotation btw, [MENTION=8031]Ginkgo[/MENTION]. I'm going to save it.

You are welcome. I like your avatar, by the way.

 

[greenfairy]

What about it? It is defining truth as answers to questions. Not as multiple impressionistic answers to questions that can't be solved.

How do you know that's not what it means?

 

[greenfairy]

You are welcome. I like your avatar, by the way.

Thanks! :]

 

[Pseudo]

@ginko

I was under the impression that you meant that lies/lying, while a reality, are not truth.

I disagree with you if you think that truth means conforming to subjective opinions.

 

[Pseudo]

How do you know that's not what it means?

Because I read it?

 

[greenfairy]

Only if you think beings are the definers of value. Why does the universe lose importance if it loses us?

It has nothing to do with value or importance. Conformity to reality is a measurement, or a determination. This requires action, either to determine or measure.

 

[greenfairy]

Because I read it?

You read it differently than I did.

 

[Pseudo]

It has nothing to do with value or importance. Conformity to reality is a measurement, or a determination. This requires action, either to determine or measure.

You don't need someone to observe a distance between two objects in order for it to be real or measurable.

 

[Ginkgo]

@ginko

I was under the impression that you meant that lies/lying, while a reality, are not truth.

I disagree with you if you think that truth means conforming to subjective opinions.

I think that subjective opinions truly exist. Opinions only hold truth value about subjective qualifiers.

 

[Pseudo]

I think that subjective opinions truly exist. Opinions only hold truth value about subjective qualifiers.

I agree opinions exist and that they have to be qualified to be true.

But then could further explain "Truth in the intellect conforming to the subject".