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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    I never said anything was true for all members of a group. I think there are biological differences both physical and otherwise, but I can't prove it. So it's a probably not a yes. Based on internal logical reasoning (or so I like to think), without scientific validation handy. Or maybe Ni. I've probably read several things and don't remember what they were or where I found them. Doesn't mean the evidence doesn't exist. I see patterns and trends and make generalizations, then fit those into a framework. The things I say are not meant to be taken to extremes.
    I feel in the framework of the scientific method you've determined your hypothesis and then not bothered to go through with the experiment. Which is strange to me because them you aren't really arriving at any truth. I also think extremes are necessary to determine truth because generalizations just breed all kinds of problems by overlooking outliers which are legitimate realities.

    Could you even begin to describe the trends you've noticed so we can have some kind of understanding of what you are getting at? There might be a legitimate idea in there somewhere but we'll never get at it if we don't have a jumping off point.

    And to be honest I understand the whole InTP/INFP debacle now. I'm not suggest your thoughts are invalid but you approach this from a much different angle than i think most INTPs do. I think
    Most INTPs assume that their is an underlying universal truth which can be found by stripping away personal and subject influences. You seem to believe that our personal and subject experiences are truth itself and that by stripping this away we move into a classified, codified system that is actually farther from reality which in my opinion is very "feelery".

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    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    A starting point would be to differentiate between what you wish and what is. You wish to believe you're a logical dom but you lead with subjective rationale.
    Specific examples?

    That may be, but I don't see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    If you don't understand it, how can you disagree? That's irrational.
    I said that I disagree with what of it I do think I understand. What I don't, I reserve judgment on. It might be that I don't properly understand any of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    The feeling function, regardless of attitude, is people oriented.
    That's true, but it seems to me based on what I've read of the functions that I use Fe more than Fi. Could be wrong, but that's my assessment. And the tribal mentality being Fe refutes the claim that the whole thread is Fi.

    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    If you wish to convince others of hypothesis for usage, it has to stand the test of whether or not it has worked for you. In order to understand if it has worked for you, you have to understand and be honest with yourself. Otherwise, you're nothing but a snake oil salesman.
    I'm not trying to convince anyone to follow the OP. Just pointing out its advantages as I see them. I don't know what you're implying I'm trying to sell. Are you saying that me mistyping myself in your opinion throws everything I have to say into question? Because I still think it's completely irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Just trying to help you out with your first baby step towards any form of self-actualisation.
    Fe behavior.
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    Nope. Refer to defense of.
    My claim is as well defended as yours.
    Quote Originally Posted by andante View Post
    Let's consolidate this. Relationships require that partners get along. No need for bullshittery and attempts to wrap things up in fluffy mysticism.
    True. But some people find incorporating the spiritual element to be useful and enjoyable. Obviously you don't and I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pseudo View Post
    I fon't think people are disagreeing with the idea of complimentary personalities working together. They are disagree that every man and every woman have the same function in a complimentary system.
    The problem is that the proverb doesn't refer to "some" men and "some" women. I think that is why people are having a problem with it.
    I see. It certainly would have helped if people had made that clear. I actually agree on this, which is why I took steps to say in my personal reflection that I see it as more complex and holistic. Also if you take into account the culture, it would suggest otherwise. It's true that it appears this way on the surface- I'm just saying proverbs are meant to be looked at more deeply. So I guess it's effective for people who do, and not effective for people who want to evaluate things based on surface clarity.

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    INFP? Ha.

    ESFJs are the ones who eat this crappy-dress-old-vague-ideas-up-in-new-age-clothes stuff right up.
    Artes, Scientia, Veritasiness

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Specific examples?

    That may be, but I don't see it.
    I've done this for you within this thread and another. Both times, denial. Asking over and over for evidence already presented, is a waste of my time.


    I said that I disagree with what of it I do think I understand. What I don't, I reserve judgment on. It might be that I don't properly understand any of it.
    Analogous:

    Sentence reads, 'There were fifteen pigs being marched towards slaughter'.

    OMG, I disagree, I hate pigs.

    That's true, but it seems to me based on what I've read of the functions that I use Fe more than Fi. Could be wrong, but that's my assessment. And the tribal mentality being Fe refutes the claim that the whole thread is Fi.
    Never said the content of this thread was Fe or Fi. I've only stated that your explanations and rationales are Fi-based.

    I'm not trying to convince anyone to follow the OP. Just pointing out its advantages as I see them. I don't know what you're implying I'm trying to sell. Are you saying that me mistyping myself in your opinion throws everything I have to say into question? Because I still think it's completely irrelevant.
    Can't speak for others but when your rationales aren't rational, where they're all fluff and stuff coming from someone who has no idea who they are and how to express themselves in ways that might enlighten or convince others, it's impossible to take the snake oil salesman seriously.

    Fe behavior.
    Fi. Get with authenticity. Delusion is annoying.

    My claim is as well defended as yours.
    No.

    True. But some people find incorporating the spiritual element to be useful and enjoyable. Obviously you don't and I do.
    The difference between NFs and NTs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    I see. It certainly would have helped if people had made that clear. I actually agree on this, which is why I took steps to say in my personal reflection that I see it as more complex and holistic. Also if you take into account the culture, it would suggest otherwise. It's true that it appears this way on the surface- I'm just saying proverbs are meant to be looked at more deeply. So I guess it's effective for people who do, and not effective for people who want to evaluate things based on surface clarity.
    ?????

    I agree that the idea of sexual intercourse ( two different but complimentary being coming together to create something more than themselves) is a useful analogy for the integration of all sorts of different people. But that isn't the meaning of this proverb. The proverb clearly states that there is a gender binary and distinct gender roles. If the proverb is supposed to mean something different why is it written in this specific way? I don't think it's a case of people only seeing the surface meaning, but just disagreeing with the actual meaning (which in my opinion isn't all that complex to begin with).

    Could you explain what the more complex meaning is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    My point is that you don't have "extra things". You don't even have the basics!

    Allow me to illustrate:
    Post #207 is a good example of INTP posting style.
    Post #203 (amongst others) is a good example of the opposite of INTP posting style.

    Hope this helps.

    (I still don't think it really matters, but seriously, don't tell us how great your Ti is and then come up with this shite, or you'll just be ripped to shreds. It's not that it's impossible for an INFP to have well-developed Ti (see OrangeAppled for a good example) it's just that you're not one of them.)

    Hellllllllllz yeah. Representing for the INTPs with that

    highly robotic,
    logical, neurotic,
    devotion sans emotion
    to destroying the quixotic.

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    Ok, going to work. Be back later tonight. I'll end this for now with the following.

    I would appreciate it if people could just trust that I know myself and base their arguments on my ideas not who I am. K? Fi request if you want to label it as such. Just forget about what type I am. And if you have specific examples of me using a certain CF, or why I look like a certain type, do it in the appropriate thread and provide evidence of why it looks like the function. Yes, @andante, you've pointed out things that look Fi to you, but you didn't give any reasoning. Ok, so it looks subjective and feely. That's kind of vague. In what ways does it look that way? How is it different from other functions? You're not going very far into typology to explain yourself. You list functions, but don't explain how they fit what they're describing. Elaborate please.

    K bai.

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    Once again, Fi self-righteousness and entitlement.

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    I'm still interested in your responses to the beginning of post #211 and pot #216. They aren't type related.

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