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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Speaking from a it-doesn't-matter-what-sort-of-theory-you-believe perspective, there is an enzyme the chicken produces that makes the actual egg shell and allows the egg shell to harden and protect the life inside.. so whatever evolved/got created into what will be known as the common chicken, it is required that it exists in order to produce an actual egg.

    /completely off topic rant
    but it doesn't need a shell to be considered an egg, every female has eggs, presumably you too (reminder to self: ask @phobik to make sure). what came first, kyuuei or the egg she was conceived from?

    /reinforces off topic rant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    but it doesn't need a shell to be considered an egg, every female has eggs, presumably you too (reminder to self: ask @phobik to make sure). what came first, kyuuei or the egg she was conceived from?

    /reinforces off topic rant
    But the chicken egg we all know and love today would also not be the same without that enzyme. Theoretically, from an evolutionary standpoint, developing an egg outside of the body vs inside is a trait that probably developed in animals as they reproduced over time.. so surely evolutionary believers would agree that the chicken should have come first.

    Technically, the egg came first since the concept of a cell being fertilized developed long before multi-celled animals like chickens... but the actual chicken egg, in its modern form and glory, had to come from a chicken that evolved from something that started to lay its eggs rather than keep them inside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    For the record, it was the chicken.

    The protein that hardens an egg has been shown to develop in nature at two separate intervals of evolution both before and after the genus of chicken.

    Given my stance on aliens and the eternally persisting universe, I would say the nature of the answer is recursive.


    My Earth-bound answer: the egg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    Technically, the egg came first since the concept of a cell being fertilized developed long before multi-celled animals like chickens...
    thats what i was going for

    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    but the actual chicken egg, in its modern form and glory, had to come from a chicken that evolved from something that started to lay its eggs rather than keep them inside.
    fish lay eggs too.. egg laying in general is quite ancient. but yes, i suppose if we go by the shell, the first animal to have had that enzyme couldn't have being born from a mother who had it.

    so the egg came first, then the chicken, then the shell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post

    so the egg came first, then the chicken, then the shell.
    According to paleontolgy and philogenetics, I'd rather say it in that order:

    So the egg came first, then the shell, then the chicken.

    But of course, I know that you are refering to the biological process.
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    Sure they do. We just don't always like the reasons why and are prone to inventing our own explanations...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    “Once you make a decision, the universe conspires to make it happen.”
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    I've heard this, but I actually wonder if it is more our subconscious mind making choices and arranging aspects of our lives to bring something about. Our decision making process is not purely conscious, and there are many subtle actions that can place us on course towards different results.

    I'm still resistant to the cosmic fate style thinking. There is always a cause-and-effect, and our perception is limited, but that is about as far as I embrace the idea.
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