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    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    The truth is hope sometimes.
    Yes^

    Humility in hope is the pursuit of truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    What is the more important?

    Truth or hope?
    Phrasing it this way makes it seem as though truth and hope are mutually exclusive. They're not.

    I think it's better to be truthful than to give someone false hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    Phrasing it this way makes it seem as though truth and hope are mutually exclusive. They're not.

    I think it's better to be truthful than to give someone false hope.
    Interesting.

    And if the truth and hope are mutually exclusive?

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    Better to be truthful than deceitful. If the truth was harmful to this person I'd rather keep my mouth shut entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Interesting.

    And if the truth and hope are mutually exclusive?
    Truth.

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    If one must have either the truth or hope, shouldn't they be the one to choose which one they want?

    Personally, sometimes the truth is more important to my situation, sometimes the sense of hope is. Based on my circumstances, I'll give an indication.

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    Couldn't hope create truth?

    You might think it is a lie, but the hope can present the possibility to make it true, and then it wouldn't really have ever been a lie.

    I mean I don't think lying to keep hope alive is really the opposite to telling the truth.

    Also the truth isn't always painful.

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    Do we mean "truth" as in "true facts?" So the question is really, "is it okay to lie about certain facts if you think it will preserve hope?"

    Definitely not, for two reasons: (1) it may not have the intended effect on hope levels, and (2) that kind of manipulation is never helpful in the long run (WTF happens when they find out that you lied and that they're basing their hope on shit that's just not true? Dummy.)
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    I don't even care if hope is possibly true. It's just not in me to point somewhere in the horizon. I'm dealing with this in a family member who's been depressed.. they're very focused and aggravated on things not changing externally or being in order or meeting some expectation. Then they drink and dwell some more. They need changes, but I think they could simply do with better coping methods. I've worked on that myself. Pay attention to what is here, not to what isn't. Hope just keeps pointing to what isn't. It's just acknowledging they need more...and more and more. Usually the truth is we have it pretty good. And if I know that for sure with someone, I'm gonna point it out.

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    Hope is best if you can stomach it. As someone who seeks truth, I know that can be a bitter reality.
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