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    The man who learns from his mistakes is a wise man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    Repeating those actions while knowing the actions is not learning from those actions. You can sort of call it a purposeful forgetfulness. (I.E. A person that knows smoking is bad, but continue to smoke anyways.)

    Changing the action, while getting the same result, however, is learning from it. Changing the action does not necessitate that the past will not be repeated. It just means you aren't condemned to repeat the past if you succeed. (I.E. A person that goes through steps to stop smoking, but find it hard to stop smoking or finally quits smoking.)
    That's the thing. I'm not so sure that you aren't condemned to repeat the past, even if you do succeed. Instead, I see it less as a damning, and more as an opportunity to come to terms with what has happened in the past, and is happening at that moment. To use your smoking example, there is no one point where a person "quits" smoking. The process is that of being able to continually deny yourself a cigarette when you want one. So, the point at issue isn't when one is "trying to quit." Instead, it is those many points when one craves a cigarette that will follow indefinitely. Remembering that you enjoyed smoking, or that you decided to quit, isn't the determinative factor in this situation, because both would involve repeating the past. Instead, it's the motivating factors of the present that drive the decision (e.g. wanting to keep one's health, not smoking for the sake of one's children, etc).

    The past establishes those motivating factors, or more precisely, describes their movement in the fourth dimension.

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    The past affects how things are today. One thing leads to another and you can see the consequences of different actions. If a different action had been taken, the resulting consequences would have been different, resulting in an alternate timeline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    Pussy mafia.... Hmm, is this different than the pussy cartel? *deep thoughts*
    That would therefore mean the pussy mafia is like the drug cartel, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    That would therefore mean the pussy mafia is like the drug cartel, no?
    Apparently!

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    The present is the result of everything that has happened in the past, and the present shapes the future.

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    Egg noodles. You'll understand this when you eventually ask the question that is answered with 'Egg noodles'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    The past determines today's derivatives.
    So if the past can be seen as the anti-derivative of the present, how far back need we go before it becomes an indiscernable probabilistic mess?
    For all that we have done, as a civilization, as individuals, the universe is not stable, and nor is any single thing within it. Stars consume themselves, the universe itself rushes apart, and we ourselves are composed of matter in constant flux. Colonies of cells in temporary alliance, replicating and decaying and housed within, an incandescent cloud of electrical impulses. This is reality, this is self knowledge, and the perception of it will, of course, make you dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    So if the past can be seen as the anti-derivative of the present, how far back need we go before it becomes an indiscernable probabilistic mess?
    Hard to say for certainly myself, but I'd imagine a tad after the universe was expansive enough to form the elementary particles, though we still see probabilistic events today... making past in that context irrelevant.

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    One more way to phrase the same damn thing that everyone's already saying:

    The past provides context and further information for our present decisions and experiences. We can determine our trajectory a lot more accurately if we have more data--we can see if we're headed in the 'right' direction.

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