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    Default Time: Real or Illusory?

    Is time itself real or illusory?
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    I'd say it definitely has aspects of both.

    Time is relative, such that depending on your frame of reference, things can actually appear to happen in a different order. If events are causally linked though, then cause and effect are preserved in all frames of reference. For example, if you push a button on your flashlight and it turns on, the button push will come before the light turning on everywhere. Nowhere does the light come on before you pushed the button.

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    There's a difference between saying that causality is preserved and saying that the order in the event is preserved, as you said in the non-causal part. So I suspect there is some equivocation in your argument.

    Either way, the order or the causality is governed by physical law, whereas an illusion is not.
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    if the universe is digital, time is an illusion.

    should the universe prove to be analog, time will be concrete.




    i'd prefer to believe the former.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    if the universe is digital, time is an illusion.

    should the universe prove to be analog, time will be concrete.

    i'd prefer to believe the former.
    Given your false alternatives. But of course it would be difficult to see time as concrete - i.e., physically real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Given your false alternatives. But of course it would be difficult to see time as concrete - i.e., physically real.

    not for me, i see it rather well.


    though i'm stuck at about the same place einstein was, regarding a geometrically analog universe.




    hence my preference for a quantum, timeless universe.

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    If I can't touch it, it's not real. Like, dragons, God and the number on my bank account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    not for me, i see it rather well.
    Then where is it? (Mathematics is conceptual so it doesn't count as concrete.)

    Quote Originally Posted by jontherobot View Post
    though i'm stuck at about the same place einstein was, regarding a geometrically analog universe.

    hence my preference for a quantum, timeless universe.
    So for you, time is real yet it doesn't exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    If I can't touch it, it's not real. Like, dragons, God and the number on my bank account.
    So "can't touch it" = illusory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    So "can't touch it" = illusory?
    I'm just musing. Iis illusory the opposite of real? Can something be illusory and completely relevant simultaneously, if so does that mean it's real? Are you asking if there is some sort of time particle?

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