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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    I don't know. Can't I just tell the police I'm Atman?
    You can. I wouldn't advise it though. lol.

    I'm still not sure what you meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    You can. I wouldn't advise it though. lol.

    I'm still not sure what you meant.
    The objective cause of thoughts is God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    The objective cause of thoughts is God.
    I think, therefore you are?

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    projection alert!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    I think, therefore you are?
    Not me. At this point it comes down to what one believes is the source of thought, but it's just as much of an assumption to think the source of thought is your person as to think it is God, or to think one is an extension of the other by rules of cause and effect. Maybe the issue is only about a platform of thought that holds no other qualities relative to one's ego. And, if so, I think that should be clarified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    I'm still not sure what you meant.
    Debating logic with NFs is an exercise in futility.

    What was the original point of this thread?
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    What was the original point of this thread?
    Believe it or not, it was to show explicitly that thinking is not necessary for awareness. (or so I thought)

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    Hmm. Not sure that you could ever demonstrate that in any meaningful way.
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    i am therefore i think
    "Where wisdom reigns, there is no conflict between thinking and feeling."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Believe it or not, it was to show explicitly that thinking is not necessary for awareness. (or so I thought)
    Thinking maybe isn't necessary for awareness (depending on how we define awareness). You can probably catch a ball or something without thinking about it.

    Your body does all kinds of stuff that require awareness yet you don't really think about it, like orienting yourself in space, but there's different kinds of awareness.

    There's awareness that you are aware of, as in looking at something and knowing that you see it.
    There's focus, which is being aware of what you want to be aware of and consciously causing yourself to focus on that thing.
    There's subconscious awareness. You're taking stuff in, and it registers, like walking through a crowd - you know it's a crowd without having to take in all the people individually and discern it. Something might also come out of the background and demand your conscious attention, like noticing a clown among 1,000 people wearing business suits.

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