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  • The source is paramount.

    1 2.78%
  • The source is a bit more important than the argument.

    2 5.56%
  • The source and the argument are equally important.

    10 27.78%
  • The argument is more important than the source.

    14 38.89%
  • The argument is paramount.

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    Default Consider the source, or consider the argument?

    When deciding if some set of statements will convince you of the truth of something, which is more important to you?

    a) The source of those statements?
    b) The content of those statements, and the "logic" behind the argument they make?

    Why?

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    A stupid person can come up with a brilliant idea. A brilliant person can come up with a stupid idea. It's best to judge for yourself with your own mind whether the argument makes sense or not, regardless of where it comes from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    When deciding if some set of statements will convince you of the truth of something, which is more important to you?

    a) The source of those statements?
    b) The content of those statements, and the "logic" behind the argument they make?

    Why?
    This is a germaine question - for I fell in love with Martin Heidegger and his, "Zein und Zeit", but then I found he was a nazi and I was discombombulated. How could I follow his ideas yet reject his politics? Surely his politics taint his ideas? I still don't know the answer to this.

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    In a perfect world, the source shouldn't be pertinent.

    In our world, it can be pertinent, because there exists bias and self interest and when we consider the argument we don't always have the time or the ability to fact check everything and go through the entire process of deduction to recreate every single point and determine that it is sound.

    Nothing should be ruled out entirely because of source, but keep in mind that with some sources you really really need to check it out and think even more critically than usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    When deciding if some set of statements will convince you of the truth of something, which is more important to you?

    a) The source of those statements?
    b) The content of those statements, and the "logic" behind the argument they make?

    Why?
    The content of some statements refer to the source of the statements. If so, their logic is circular and both a) and b) apply. All true statements are circular as the contents of the statements refer to Reality.

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    It seems like bad practice to deliberately introduce my own bias into the equation in order to stave off the hypothetical bias of someone else.

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    I guess the devil can quote the bible for his own purposes.

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    I would say that both are equal to me. It depends on the situation on whether one outweighs the other. Since each argument is different, each must bear its own weight. To me, truth is subjective. It can change over time and each person may only have bits and pieces of the whole. So, while what they say is true to them, it may not be the whole truth. Does that taint what they say? Not necessarily. They're going on what they have. The intent in what they say also has some weight. Why? Because, if their intent is to manipulate the situation for their own personal gain (while knowing full well this is the intent), then it makes what they say suspicious. I don't know if my train became derailed or not. >.> So, I'm hoping that the above mentioned made some sense at least. lol

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    Outside the realm of mathematics and logic, the source does matter because arguments usually make factual claims in order to support hypotheses. To decide whether the hypothesis is true, the source claiming factual truth should be considered in order to gauge its probability of being truthful.

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    Almost always content for me. If I can't trace it back far enough ideologically to satisfy myself of the "truth of something," then I just reserve final judgment on whatever it is.


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